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Lenny Guy wrote:

I don't see why the Switch cartridges tasting bad is worthy of such news. I'm pretty sure other cartridges and CDs don't exactly taste great either. I guess they're running that story just in case some of the readers may have younger kids around them and they might need a reminder. Then again, it should already be obvious why you don't want kids eating them.

Just seems like a waste of time.

They gotta make money some how and what better way than writing about pointless, trivial stuff that is very bland and unexceptional.

Colonial2.1 wrote:

http://www.realclearlife.com/technology/how-attractive-female-video-game-characters-should-be/
Here we go again.

the liberal media telling people what to think once again

do not listen to them

Colonial2.1 wrote:

http://www.realclearlife.com/technology/how-attractive-female-video-game-characters-should-be/
Here we go again.

What is these people's obsession with giving people like Wu and Sarkesian the microphone and spotlight? The average person does not legitimately see these people as influential and credible. But regardless lets look at how terrible the article is:

"Gamers are pointing out the female protagonist of Mass Effect: Andromeda doesn’t look like a model… which is odd because she’s based on the model Jayde Rossi, an undeniably beautiful woman."

Yeah because she totally looks like Jayde Rossi… totally.


Pictured above: The mass effect andromeda female in question


Pictured above: Jayde Rossi.

"No matter how cutting edge graphics get, the video game industry is often accused of being stuck in a previous century when it comes to portraying women."

So you mean women are completely covered up and no body parts are shown because it would be too risque?

"“Sexual objectification, I think, is decreasing,” says CNet Senior Editor Scott Stein, who has covered the gaming industry for over a decade and played many, many video games in the process. (Decreasing, however, doesn’t mean gone: “It’s still a big problem.”)"

It's still a big problem because obviously virtual non-existing, non-feeling people should count more than real women who have bigger problems than some lady that has excellent figure in a virtual media.

" The stereotypes about gaming only being for teen boys (and nerdy ones at that) have long been disproven. It’s not possible to reach those economic levels without crossover and plenty of girls powering up consoles."

CITATION NEEDED No seriously, women do not make a significant portion of console players at all. So yes it is totally possible to reach this economic level without girls powering up consoles.

"n 2014, GamerGate highlighted the division in the ugliest way possible. That controversy was triggered by claims a female designer had an affair with a journalist to advance her career. No proof was offered for this assertion"

You mean you didn't look for the numerous evidence of collusion provided.

"GamerGate quickly came to be viewed as a battle between the dedicated old guard of gamers (who were overwhelmingly male) and the new generation (who include more and more women). Indeed, a survey at the end of 2015 found that 48 percent of women reported they played video games, nearly equal to the 50 percent of men who are gamers. Despite this, 60 percent of Americans still considered gaming to be a “male” activity, as perception had yet to catch up with the new reality."

Okay 3 things wrong with one:
1. The old guard consists of people who are playing games that; don't have microtransactions, have far more content, are heavily skill based and actually require a dedicated hardware to run these games
The "new guard" consists of people are playing games that; have microtransactions (which they frequently indulge in), have far less content, are generally RNG or cash based, don't require dedicated hardware to run.

2. There is no indication that the new or old guard are at odds with each other at all and the fight between new and old gamers have jack shit to do with gamergate.

3. Repeating a statistic without explaining its actual contents. Yes ~50% of women now admit to playing games. NO those games aren't Call of duty or console or even PC games. They're playing the match 3 games on a mobile phone. They have basically no influence on the numerous games that the author and his/her corrupt cohorts keep trying to change. Unless DOA 6 is going to be a match 3 game on mobile devices, there's no chance in hell of any these female gamers playing it. Stop advocating for changes that don't even target the audience you are "advocating" for.

Oh and uh the article never addresses how women should look in video games. Entirely clickbait, shilling and yellow "journalism" on display.

Last edited Mar 09, 2017 at 01:26PM EST
The reason why people are concerned about the topic is because reddit’s definition of brigading is “being a member of the wrong sub and voting the wrong way”. Hence why you get shadowbanned on reddit if you are in a pro-gamergate sub and even glance at pro-social-justice-warrior sub.

Shadowbanning? Sounds like a conspiracy theory buzzword to me. You know, "shadow" sounding dark and mysterious etc. Is there any evidence to support these allegations?

http://www.realclearlife.com/technology/how-attractive-female-video-game-characters-should-be/
Here we go again.

Welp, time to break out of the bubble, just like Obama suggested. Although the article isn't particularly annoying, it suffers from a lack of focus. Also, some facts are presented incorrectly and the title is misleading. It's a shame, really. The term "attractive" has only positive meanings, and it's never used to describe anyone with negative traits of any kind. It's not synonymous with terms like "sexy" (not a negative term!), "seductive", "hyper-sexualized" and definately not with "objectifying".
It's also important to remember that when playing a humanoid character, male or female, nobody really likes to play a character that is not attractive in some way. Sidekicks and other npcs are a different bunch – just look up Jan Jansen from Baldur's Gate 2. He's not attractive, but he also wouldn't be the same as an attractive… person. And here comes an important point: if there ever was a Baldur's Gate 3 where Jan would appear as an extremely handsome hunk, there would be a "backlash" – criticism – from the fans of his original design.
Of course, in an ideal world, the player has the freedom to choose an ugly or a beautiful/handsome avatar. Even though the average player won't be spending much time looking at the main character's mug, rather than enjoying the gameplay and the challenge, it's an important option that many games thankfully have.

Anyway, whether or not a given game has a diverse cast of characters, the reality is that having the option to play as an attractive character is a frigging important selling point, and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. The "problems" mentioned in the article have nothing to do with having too much attractive characters (or the option to create them) in games. Before preaching about solutions, show us the real problems! Is it about money? There's no magic trick in increasing one's customer base. If you want the female gamers' hard earned cash, just make good games and keep on removing the stigmas that video games have instead of enforcing them. There's no magic trick to that, but demonizing attractiveness, beauty and handsomeness will drive EVERYONE away.

Beauty is an asset, but it's more than that. It's a virtue, and it should be praised and celebrated, not avoided in any way.

Last edited Mar 09, 2017 at 01:43PM EST

@Jankovic
I didn't make up the term shadowbanning. What shadowbanning refers to is the banning of an individual without actually notifying them that they are banned. So the individual can still post but all their posts are not readable by others. You can tell if you are a shadowbanned on reddit by posting and then logging out to check if you can read what you just wrote. I need not provide evidence for this allegations because they are very well known and the term has originated from well before gamergate. Shadowbanning is supposed to be used for spammers and bots (on the grounds that these malicious script junkies will just create another bot under a different name if they got notified they were banned). It is not meant for actual individuals.

http://archive.is/xmDCz

As for other reddits banning you for "brigading"? There's plenty of evidence for that too.

http://archive.is/m817e
http://archive.is/oICsF
http://archive.is/e1Wh4
http://archive.is/5lf7t

Also anyone who participated on Total Biscuit's reddit thread on media ethics also had an alarming tendency to be shadowbanned
http://i.imgur.com/VumL9nK.png

Last edited Mar 09, 2017 at 03:20PM EST

Lenny Guy wrote:

An article talking about Gamergate happening before 2014 wouldn't surprise me since there are people who genuinely believe Gamergate was around for years, but it finally got a name in 2014.

at most there were people dissatisfied with the rotten state of journalism

And now for a bit on Gamesjournalism (as these are fun little agenda pushings that have little to nothing with the core part of games)

South by Southwest panels on gaming don't have game developers speaking at them

FemFreq doesn't know the plot of the new Legend of Zelda

Mass Effect: Andromeda's reviews aren't looking good

Yes, Plural

Guardian believes that video game development needs to be more diverse

There's also some debate on the whole JonTron vs Destiny debacle and the DMCA on Sargon for posting cut footage. So another round of character assassinations. Be prepared for another gamedrop.

I know double post, but the animation of ME:A has to be seen to be believed:

Edit: Keep in mind most of this (save for the writing) can be patched and fixed as this is pre-release footage.

Last edited Mar 17, 2017 at 12:26AM EDT

I don't think having politics in a game is innately bad. There have been games that have covered politics for years, but seeing someone argue there should be overt side-taking, and knowing the people who seem to be pro-politics, I think that's cause for some concern. People like playing apolitical stuff as a means of escapism, to temporarily forget about serious issues for a little bit. And acting like people should implement politics and take a side is the work of an agenda-driven troublemaker who seeks to divide imo. That's just asking for your games to become crappy.

Lenny Guy wrote:

I don't think having politics in a game is innately bad. There have been games that have covered politics for years, but seeing someone argue there should be overt side-taking, and knowing the people who seem to be pro-politics, I think that's cause for some concern. People like playing apolitical stuff as a means of escapism, to temporarily forget about serious issues for a little bit. And acting like people should implement politics and take a side is the work of an agenda-driven troublemaker who seeks to divide imo. That's just asking for your games to become crappy.

Well. There are some things you must do to implement politics in any form of entertainment. First of all it can not be propaganda. Second, you need more than just politics, you must wrap it with stuff people will enjoy. And third, it must not be polarizing or extremist, appealing to universal values is healthier than just bashing your opponents with little to no argument at all.

Garde wrote:

I know double post, but the animation of ME:A has to be seen to be believed:

Edit: Keep in mind most of this (save for the writing) can be patched and fixed as this is pre-release footage.

No it can't, ME:A went gold a couple weeks ago. That's how it's going to be released, they can patch it afterwards (they're already working on a day 1 patch) but this is what the first players are going to see.

@Lenny Guy

A combination of "everything is political" + "my side is the right side of history" = "everything must push my politics or it's evil".

@AlarkozTheAncient

You'd think they would at least want their propaganda games to not be shit (the propose of propaganda is to convince people you are right), but these morons want to signal their wokeness to their fellow SJWs rather then anything productive.

The end result of ideology-induced epistemic closure is that the believer can no long communicate on a meaningful level with those outside the cult.

Lenny Guy wrote:

Was there even harassment, or is this just some kind of false diversion?

from what I know, people just complained that the graphics are bad

So according to this video the woman who said she was lead designer actually just did motion capture work, and a RalphRetort article misinformed some people. Oh, and Manveer Heir no longer works at the company (thank god).

Also, the whole harassment thing seems like PR damage control imo.

Considering Bioware's now long history with treating legit criticism as harassment, it really doesn't come off as surprising that they're screaming misogyny now. May I remind everyone that bioware shut down its forums without any real legitimate reason to shut them down (leaving only the possibility that they just didn't or couldn't take the criticism and discussion of their games properly).

It's also very suspicious that most articles vilifying the harassment also then go on to mention gamergate (as if gamergate has anything to do with a new game release as opposed gamergate's reaction to this game getting a near 80 on metacritic). Even more annoying is when they mention any of the literally whos which of course raises the question of how they honestly expect people to care about this recent harassment when they're listing individuals known for faking reactions to the harassment they received or not really receiving much harassment at all while lying that they have.


With a cutscene like this, the game has a 78-76 on metacritic.

That cutscene was like Assassins creed unity on launch bad possibly even worse considering the actors aren't even in the proper places and the game freezes afterwards.

And of course we're not done talking about the dialogue or the unchallenging combat. For anyone who watched delrith's (aka Angryjoe's trusted friend) stream, he is breezing through the game on what is apparently the highest difficulty without even bothering to take cover or really power level. Apparently there's easy access to a broken character build that gives your a character a super shield and constant teleportation + shotgun combo.

And the dialogue:
https://twitter.com/TypeANumber2/status/843424531880595457

TL;DR There's a strong indication that the usual suspects are out to pretend mass effect andromeda isn't as bad as it really is. When the best thing you can say about a game is "well the combat is decent" then in all honesty you are damning the game by faint praise. I would take any arguments that the game is unfairly being railed against with a large grain of salt because about 3/4 of the game isn't done right. Similarly claims of harassment seem almost completely fabricated with the real suspects being the clumsy journalists themselves who linked directly to the victim's profile.

Last edited Mar 21, 2017 at 03:01PM EDT

Hron said:

But does it sell well?

Probably won't know until EA releases their quarterly report or their CFO blabs about it during a conference call. We may never fully know. Gearbox still says they're happy with how Battleborn did.

So about that recent Yooka-Laylee bit that's trending. We're seeing another Mighty no. 9 Fiasco. Details are in this video and explained in better depth than I can type out (I will attempt to TL;DR below):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRNDnR9Za4M&feature=youtu.be

TL;DR: The character assassination of the youtuber Jontron (Which is proving to have no effect on his viewership or profits) led to Playtonic (platonic? really that's the pun?) removing his voice from their Banjo Kazooie successor Yooka Laylee. As a result, some of the backers are asking for refunds on forums and the original kickstarter and are getting told that they will not be getting their cash back.

As for how it applies: JonTron is also a supporter of Gamergate, has been plotted against by Neogaf (a constant source of collusion and identity politics in videogames and games journalism), and ethics not being adhered to in reporting and games development.

Last edited Mar 24, 2017 at 04:24PM EDT

Garde wrote:

So about that recent Yooka-Laylee bit that's trending. We're seeing another Mighty no. 9 Fiasco. Details are in this video and explained in better depth than I can type out (I will attempt to TL;DR below):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRNDnR9Za4M&feature=youtu.be

TL;DR: The character assassination of the youtuber Jontron (Which is proving to have no effect on his viewership or profits) led to Playtonic (platonic? really that's the pun?) removing his voice from their Banjo Kazooie successor Yooka Laylee. As a result, some of the backers are asking for refunds on forums and the original kickstarter and are getting told that they will not be getting their cash back.

As for how it applies: JonTron is also a supporter of Gamergate, has been plotted against by Neogaf (a constant source of collusion and identity politics in videogames and games journalism), and ethics not being adhered to in reporting and games development.

The worst part is that Jon's views are not actually wrong, they were just poorly worded and intentionally misconstrued by ill intentioned people.

Things have slowed down a bit. But for this week so far two opponents of gamergate are with each other.

FemFreq and Polygon are clashing after one of the publishers of the latter made a joke about Krystal from Starfox being a sex symbol

As a result FemFreq went a little overboard (as it tends to do) and proceeded to bash the journalist while promoting its idealism.

You can read up about it here

The fun thing is, most people are being critical of Femnist Frequency as a result now. So I guess the Furry Fandom/Polygon is more powerful than Fem Freq.

Garde wrote:

Things have slowed down a bit. But for this week so far two opponents of gamergate are with each other.

FemFreq and Polygon are clashing after one of the publishers of the latter made a joke about Krystal from Starfox being a sex symbol

As a result FemFreq went a little overboard (as it tends to do) and proceeded to bash the journalist while promoting its idealism.

You can read up about it here

The fun thing is, most people are being critical of Femnist Frequency as a result now. So I guess the Furry Fandom/Polygon is more powerful than Fem Freq.

lets be fair here
literally who has dropped off of the radar for some time now, and she no longer has the media push she used to

in the meanwhile

Last edited Mar 30, 2017 at 01:48AM EDT

Garde wrote:

Things have slowed down a bit. But for this week so far two opponents of gamergate are with each other.

FemFreq and Polygon are clashing after one of the publishers of the latter made a joke about Krystal from Starfox being a sex symbol

As a result FemFreq went a little overboard (as it tends to do) and proceeded to bash the journalist while promoting its idealism.

You can read up about it here

The fun thing is, most people are being critical of Femnist Frequency as a result now. So I guess the Furry Fandom/Polygon is more powerful than Fem Freq.

"Hey, Josh! The con is running out of victim bux. Quick, go onto twitter and call someone a furfag!"

The joke about Krystal, to me, seemed to be more like a "I know you masturbated to Krystal, don't deny it" sort of thing that I heard a lot in high school where people just tease others by falsely declaring they did something weird/creepy that they actually didn't. I don't think it's meant to be more than that, unless I'm seeing this out of context. And in response, she just goes on this tangent of grandstanding about how they don't like her character and why they don't like gamer culture. I think it says a lot about them when they don't just say they find that creepy or go "lol", but rather just talk about seemingly everything bad about her and gaming culture. It's like they'll jump on anything to get their message across, even when it's not a necessary time to say it.

Lenny Guy wrote:

The joke about Krystal, to me, seemed to be more like a "I know you masturbated to Krystal, don't deny it" sort of thing that I heard a lot in high school where people just tease others by falsely declaring they did something weird/creepy that they actually didn't. I don't think it's meant to be more than that, unless I'm seeing this out of context. And in response, she just goes on this tangent of grandstanding about how they don't like her character and why they don't like gamer culture. I think it says a lot about them when they don't just say they find that creepy or go "lol", but rather just talk about seemingly everything bad about her and gaming culture. It's like they'll jump on anything to get their message across, even when it's not a necessary time to say it.

Not only that. Jokes about characters such as Krystal and Renamon perceived as sexually attractive by the vast majority, including non furries, are a common joke among the furry fandom. Phrases such as "Everyone is furry for Krystal" are common within the fandom.

AlarkozTheAncient wrote:

Not only that. Jokes about characters such as Krystal and Renamon perceived as sexually attractive by the vast majority, including non furries, are a common joke among the furry fandom. Phrases such as "Everyone is furry for Krystal" are common within the fandom.

We all know feminists have no sense of humor

that would require having a soul

The video I am posting below might have nothing to do with video games, but has a lot to do with the other crucial element of GamerGate, journalist integrity.

Daily Mail is spreading lies against yet another YouTuber. This time accusing a YouTuber known for his use of slings of training terrorists by testing a faulty stab proof vest.

We should start another operation as we did to punish Gawker.

Garde wrote:

Another update:

io9 gets their history wrong and dates Gamergate being around in 2012

As for Ethics in Videogames?

John "Totalbiscuit" Bain got Gearbox to hold G2A accountable for all the shady dealings they encouraged for cheap game keys.

sounds like an achievement

Last edited Apr 08, 2017 at 06:57AM EDT

Huge news pile today:

Anti-gamergate Journalist Fined 300K+ for being a scumbag

For followup. G2A doubles down against TotalBiscuit

Critical Hit thinks that Overwatch is the first diverse game while still complaining about Gamergate

Mansplaining in gaming is what caused Gamergate

Twitter link: Russia is funding Gamergate not Black Lives Matter wonder when we'll find the Ruble Trail?

According to the Boston Globe, Gamergate is making the internet worse

Zelda is Sexist and HEAR THE TALE OF ANITA, MARTYR OF THE CAUSE AND FIRST VICTIM OF GAMERGATE

Gamergate is the reason why women aren't welcome in game development

Interviewee shills for the Agenda when talking about Gamergate

Gamergate is why Clinton Lost the election

Gamergate is Why Trump Won

Last edited Apr 10, 2017 at 06:16PM EDT
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