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Easy: gamergate was the sjw movement's first major loss in a string of losses one after another so they blame any and all loses afterwards on gamergate and drag it up at every possible occasion.
BLM falls out of favor with the general public? "CURSE YOU GAMERGATE!"
Trump gets elected? "CURSE YOU GAMERGATE!"
Literal hundreds of prominent male feminists currently getting charged with sexual harassment or rape? "CURSE YOU GAMERGATE!"

Before Gamergate the sjw movement was thought of as a unstoppable unbeatable movement that everything they touched they took over. In retrospect all gamergate really did was show that the sjw movement was mortal by putting blood in the water.

I think it was pretty much the fact that others began to push back that actually killed GamerGate. The movement had two goals. Ask for integrity in gaming, and push back against social justice… And it got everyone else to push for those goals. As such it didn't die, but rather became part of a greater pushback which keeps going to this day.

Whelp been over a fortnight. Timebfor related news because it looks like were guaranteed for year 4.

Dean "I can't get past cuphead's tutorial" Takashi writes an article about how women rightly take over video gaming history and advertises Brianna Wu's run for a political office

Data analysis seems fudged on graph depicting gamergate as a huge divide between political stances

Bustle declares we live in a post gamergate world because smartphone developers

Theres a bit more over the last two weeks, but I didn't get a chance to post. Enjoy the insanity!

This article is kind of about politics, but they do make a very good point about gamergate.
https://archive.fo/KWC1N
Basically that chart in the page about gamergate showed that sjw's are centered around a handful of e-celebs. When Anita, Zoe and such started losing popularity anti-gg started declining because the entire movement was centered around a couple dozen people.

It does make a good point: a dangerous new trend not just with gamergate, but as a whole is that if you have only a couple dozen e-celebs raise enough of a stink about something shit will hit the fan. New "movements" like sjw'ism in of themselves aren't dangerous, but rather the fact that only a dozen people can cause billions of dollars in damage to entire industries and crash a mass media medium (comic books are more or less fucking dying at this point) is kind of not good. If only a couple people can destroy a entire industry then well you get the point.

Tldr; Kojima predicted the future

The curious part is that over the course of the last 3 years I have been digging for facts and truth and have found some really ugly and serious truths which have been filtered and hidden to further the interests of a certain select group of people.

This world is, based on my observations, twisted and altered to further the gain of a few, and the rest of society suffers because of it. But slowly there is a shake, a tremor resulting from those who realize. And now, sooner or later, the world will revert to the point where things went wrong. But many will resist because they believe the half truths and lies of omission. One of which includes universal suffrage. But I won't go into detail since it does not relate directly to GG.

The pat bonded to it is that "SJWs" as well as most of the things related to GG is that those small groups of elites are the ones tied to the ideological trends. All trends, or most, we see nowadays are the result of tinkering and the attempt of certain groups of controlling the mindset of others by creating content, propaganda. That is what gamers resisted, because they were on the fringe of media attention for long enough to notice when they were fed propaganda through gaming.

Gaming was unpopular, hated to some extent. Unlike television, film, and even comics, which became mainstream easily enough for the social engineering groups to inject propaganda in them with low effort. Gaming instead required a subtlety they forgot because the Red Scare and current propagandist methods were easier to use on a non interactive medium which required less thought and therefore provided more exposure.

It is in fact this interactive nature which leads to most propaganda based games being actually lacking in gameplay. They seek to expose you to an ideology instead of letting you think. As such gamers rejected them, at first due to them being boring, and sooner or later players saw there was something off.

I think also the fact that video gaming has been for almost the beginning of it's inception be a meritocracy. Respect is earned not just from knowledge but skill as well. It's why people don't take Kotaku and Polygon seriously and with let's plays and other independent youtubers existing and having WAY more impact on the average consumer they can't rely on the methods they are so used to using and I don't think they know what exactly to do

Well their not asking for many signatures only 2,500. Surprised at the Act’s name though, but that’s another story entirely and don’t want to mess with KYM’s ToS.

So more news:

Wu created a #notnolan campaign against the founder as a means of creating a conversation on why gaming in general doesn't have a #metoo movement.

Unfortunately for WU an actual journalist did some research and found out that Atari founder Nolan didn't do anything wrong.

However GDC which was originally going to award Nolan the pioneer award got a whiff of the 28 tweets using the notnolan hashtag an revoked the award.

Brad Glasgow has a better video explaining all of this:

So now about a dozen of the female Atari programmers are coming out in defense of Nolans character assassination.

Taking on the GDC itself

Of course it's about "starting a conversation" it always is. Ignoring that Wu is as always trying to get so credibility and power, I am happy to see women standing up for the guy and hope the GDC gives the man his well earned reward.

Nolan already abandoned the award.
I think GDC, and in general all Western video games institutions should cease to exist and become something new. The ESRB system is useful, but the ESA, which controls it is garbage. All gaming related institutions in the West are corrupted. The swamp must be drained.

Implying anyone would ever sexually harass Wu, lmao.

That reminds me of Sargon of Garbage's… Errr… Sargon of Akkad's tweet that got him in hot water. But it is true that Wu is ugly both on the inside and outside that no one would find any form of attraction to that being. (Sorry, but calling it man would be false and calling it woman would be an insult to women).

Wu is a rather unpleasant person.

Fuck my life. I'm not sure where to post this, it's not gamergate related but it is socjus related. I found out why a lot of furry artists are abandoning furaffinity lately; like a fourth of the artists I watch have left the site. The owner of the website is supporting antifa and sjw's are trying to co-opt the fandom.

We all know how this is going to go; the next step of infection is going to be sjw's joining the moderation staff on websites.

Huh, that's curious.

Some of my furry friends are not mentioning that.

So who's leaving that site (which some of my friends say is run by a disaster of a management team)?

The situation hasn't devolved completely yet; I only just learned about it today. The fandom isn't anywhere close to being considered a lost cause, the thing to worry about though is that there is no push back against the slow politicization. Wu and a lot of other notable sjw's have been slowly joining. The artists leaving are the ones going, "I'm on this website for porn. Why are you fuckers talking about politics on a porn website?"

Right now the situation isn't bad, but give it six months it's going to be a dumpster fire.

As someone who likes furry art but takes in general no labels I can tell this has been going for a while and just now began to stink enough for anyone to smell it.

FurAffinity has always shown a clear bias toward that specific end of the spectrum, and recently went full SJW. I abandoned them when they began to forbid certain art styles even though they were not violent. I just decided I could not be in a place where free speech meant nothing. And they are not free of controversy. They have used art from their users without the user consent or royalties.

FA was as good as lost already. In general the furry fandom nas a bit too many SJW. Since they are outcasts, they will gladly accept anyone who won't shit on them, and therefore welcome SJWs who present themselves as seeking acceptance for everyone.

@alarkoz
How long do you think until it gets fully assimilated into socjus?

My money is on between six months to a year.

From what I can tell, most furries I know don't like SJWs, so expect them to get a fight from the furries.

So furaffinity? Probably a lost cause. Furry community as a whole? Likely to revolt against the SJWs and give them a struggle.

So as the saying goes, the SJWs might win the battle there but aren't really going to win the war.

@Rustic
I hope when furries as a whole realize what is slowly going on they successfully push back against sjw's. Three fandoms I was a part of got assimilated into socjus so I don't want to see another one get assimilated.

@YHBF
Well from what I have seen when I popped on there, they're more left centre or so. Again, at least the ones I know.

Since many have been gamers themselves as well as anything else affected by SJWs, they know the score and rather have little to nothing to do with SJWs. Of course, it could be 50/50, it is hard to tell from a whole community without surveys and that.

I am honestly more worried about the whole anti-SJW stuff eating itself inside out when the SJWs are barely worth going at anymore. Like it is happening with the youtube skeptic community, who are making a lot of mistakes alongside being poor at handling anything else that isn't an SJW that is poorer at debating than they are. That and becoming too overzealous about being anti-sjw and hit innocent targets without thinking about what they're doing first.

Like I use to be an SJW myself but got off the boat when seeing how big of hypocrites that they are and how they don't care about, well, caring about people and such. I am more or less cautious about group dynamics after that and hence why I was cautious about Gamergate as it seems like both sides to me had some questionable groups and members using both sides for their own gain: be it businesses and journalists who wanted gamers to shut up about the former made the latter into advertisers rather than critics who look out for their audience's concerns, or people like Milo, Sargon, Antia or Brianna using people for their own agendas and financial gains. Seriously, Kiwi farms' following on everything related to Gamergate will make your headspin or do a facepalm.

So I don't really frequent this thread, but is the focus on "Ethics in gaming journalism" or discussing how "SJWs are bad?"

If it is "ethics in gaming journalism," bring it back to that. FurAffinity seems like a significant derail.

If it is "SJWs are bad," I'd probably suggest renaming the thread or making a new one to keep this on the active Gamergate movement.

Related to the current topic (if that is not off-topic:)

Before Gamergate the sjw movement was thought of as a unstoppable unbeatable movement that everything they touched they took over. In retrospect all gamergate really did was show that the sjw movement was mortal by putting blood in the water.

then

Fuck my life. I’m not sure where to post this, it’s not gamergate related but it is socjus related. I found out why a lot of furry artists are abandoning furaffinity lately; like a fourth of the artists I watch have left the site. The owner of the website is supporting antifa and sjw’s are trying to co-opt the fandom.

We all know how this is going to go; the next step of infection is going to be sjw’s joining the moderation staff on websites.

and

Three fandoms I was a part of got assimilated into socjus so I don’t want to see another one get assimilated.

Effectively, the latter two (in addition to movements such as #MeToo and how the Senate race in Alabama went) seems to insinuate social justice is winning.

I would just make another thread, but it is interesting. Those two comments seem to contradict each other. One lauds the power of the Gamergate/anti-SJW movement. The other expresses extreme distress…regarding the social justice movement.

You might consider rectifying that in the new thread.

Most of the time it's about ethics in game journalism, but sometimes it's also "sjw's are trying to fire someone in the comic book industry for not voting" or "the scifi awards are removing the first place awards because people were voting for things they enjoyed and not for the political message it was trying to convey.

The thing to keep in mind is that gamergate evolved beyond just gaming as a whole, but as a geekdom wide consumer backlash against forced political ideology.

To phrase it another way: if gamergate evolved beyond just gaming, but also comic books, scifi, anime and other geek cultures can this really be considered "off topic?" Gamergate is no longer JUST about gaming, but geekdom as a whole.

I would myself in part because you, yourself, said it might be offtopic in the post you brought up the FA thing in.

From what you're saying though, Gamergame is actually dead, and it expanded into the backlash against social justice and how social justice harms geeks.
 
If you want to encompass geek hatred of social justice, then I could change the title of the thread.

It is not exactly hatred. You see, no one likes social justice. I mean, like literally the only generations I know in my country who like social justice are gen x and millennials. Gen z and later, and baby boomers and above despise the concepts of social justice.

Even found a 13 year old girl who said something quite intelligent. One does not need to be a feminist to detest acts of blatant sexism against men and women, and feminists do not help solve that anyway. Despite her parents being blatantly sexist, she does not enter the mindset of the likes of Dworkin.

In general collectivism is simply detestable, and this thread has been basically a place where all matters tied to #GamerGate are discussed as per turn of events such as Wu trying to frame Bushnell for something that was not even a crime and speaking on behalf of women who had no grievance.

Such detestable acts are why anything social justice related ties to GamerGate.

But no, GamerGate is not dead. It is undead. It gets reanimated whenever the press feels like it, and is their boogeyman of choice for many things. We are even accused of electing Trump, much to the alt right and /pol/'s frustration, since they want the credit.

If you ask me even Logan Paul's debacle ties tangentially to GamerGate since it is an evident case of actual disrespect to other nations and cultures which was ignored and even allowed by people who claims to be in favor of social justice.

I do consider the title could be changed. But I would probably rename it as "GamerGate, and related topics discussion." I think reaching a compromise would be quite functional, if all parties are willing.

The takeover of corporate ideals in the name of saving face or being politically correct has been an issue concerning gamergate for some time. The nerd community has been hit hard with this indoctrination at nearly every major nerd convention. (SxSW & GDC to name a few. Further CONfusion, Yaoicon and Crunchyroll con first hand)

Segwaying to the point:

However there are two related instances that may set a precedence on how these antics will portray in the future.

One being the honey badgers case

The other being James Damores lawsuit.

Both of these have been tied to Gamergate. The badgers directly for "interrupting a panel on feminism" and "Selling gamergate propaganda" at Calgery expo, which has progressed into even the judge using their time off to finish the case hearing due to the delays of the expo.

As for Damore? He's sueing google with a pile of evidence of their idealistic shenanigans. (Which had been attributed to gamedrops from previously linked articles)

As for Gamergate being dead? It's still shambling around.

Anyway I hope this helps all parties and brings things back to topic.

They took Yaoicon? Damn. My crush will be real angry! She said she feared it would happen.

Regarding Damores, apparently he lost the lawsuit. I am sincerely concerned of the potential mess that could result if conventions, especially gaming conventions, and media take over.

Regarding Yaoi con: it had a few "mindful" panels, meaning that there it's an attempt to sway the administration. This is an attempt to make spaces safer, but not a guarantee that it has been taken over. It may effect the runners of the convention but not the entire fandom.

Also regarding Damore, he lost his complaint that was submitted to google formally, not the lawsuit against google. His reported loss is google investigating itself, finding nothing wrong, and doubling down.

HOLY!
ALL the sjw's at Marvel comics just got routed out.
http://boundingintocomics.com/2018/02/20/marvel-comics-promises-fresh-start-exciting-video-new-editor-chief-c-b-cebulski/
Marvel comics is doing a hard reboot and axing a lot of the stupid stuff that has happened the last couple of years. Fem thor is gone, fem ironman is gone, etc.

The past couple of years Marvel comics hasn't been doing well sales wise so the new guy in charge of marvel comics axed all the poor selling comics, fired a shitload of staff responsible for the poor selling comics and is doing a complete reboot.

Comicsgate just ended with their boss firing everyone responsible for driving the company into the ground.

There were only two potential results. SJWs assuming control of the industry and forcing everyone to submit, leading to readers moving to manga and independent comics, or SJWs being axed for sales drops.

The SJW part of GamerGate in fact has led to the first turn of events. Sales of independent ames and Imports from Japan have increased as gamers grow tired of EA, Ubi, and other triple A companies giving in to IGDA and ESA being full of sjws.

The thing is, nobody likes social justice. It never sells.

Also those that promote "we need x in this medium or else boycott" are usually never interested in buying the medium anyway.

A good counter point is Kingdom Come: Deliverance. The videogame project based in middle-ages europe with a diverse portrayal of european cultures at the time and location. This game was made by Gamergate Supporter Daniel Varva, and has been quite popular compared to other games touted as "approved" even though KC:D isn't… Diverse enough. despite its over half million sales.

Oh and that whole oppression of japanese culture is backfiring spectacularly

I have noticed those who make more of a fuss about pedophilia, especially in fiction, tend to be child molesters. Reminds me of what happens with feminism.

Maybe it is time we decide to give people under legal age some agency and ask them who they trust more, a girl who writes loli manga, or some UN geezer who is not only attracted to kids, but actively rapes them.

@Alarkoz

I think the biggest reason people don't typically like SJW material, even the folks they try to pander to, is due to how shallow and poor the material is and feels.

Basically, they make what could be good characters who just happen to be from a minority, and instead make them 80s or 90s token characters who have one trait that they just revolve around rather than be a character who has more than one trait that makes up their character or allow them to be human beings at all by having them have good and bad traits.

Indeed. But that is their way. In fact it is not only their way, but some of their characters are such a fringe and specific demographic that they can't make them any other way, because it is something so fringe it can not appeal to general human values.

People who are not in their camp however address the same issues with better methods and they nail it!

Well this is interesting. Now that Trump is suggesting that videogames and media cause violence. Gaming journalists (ie Ben "Gamers are the worst" Kuchera) are trying to defend gamers.

Too bad pretending gamergate didn't happen, isnt working for them.

Ben is probably just doing it because Trump said they are bad so he now must defend them lest people think he agrees with Trump on anything as that is social suicide for him at this point.

The funny part is everyone thinks anti SJWs ar sided with Trump on anything, but I bet most Trump voters are probably facepalming at Trumps's stance right now.

I mean, his discourse has been around even before he existed, but is absurd nevertheless.

Well there is the other problem is that they don't talk to the demographics that they are trying to represent and end up being just as offensive to those demographics, case in point the transgender character in Mass Effect Andromeda vs say Poison from Street Fighter.

Also, as to Donald Trump and his stance on video game and violent media after the shooting, it isn't surprising to me given this

They all kind of have similar opinions about video games and violent media. Then again, most politicians seem to have little to no understanding about video games… or how to connect to young people much at all.

Yes, well, USA is founded on violence – righteous violence. From the wars against native Americans to World War 2, violence has always been a part of US history. The glorification of violence in media is a natural result of that history. Saving Private Ryan, Sopranos, Breaking Bad, 24, Scandal (torturing is cool, too), Dexter, Road Runner and Call of Doody – it's all about violence. But all these gems of pop culture only reflect the existing mentality.
The entire political field of the USA-Nazistan, Trump included, is in NRA's pocket, so they won't say anything that would trigger (pun intended) NRA – everything else is fair game. (A reminder: Trump is a hypocrite – he played a violent boxing game in an episode of "The Apprentice", or at least pretended to. Gotcha!) I think it's time to label NRA as a terrorist group. They are all hillbilly white/whatever the fuck color trash genetic fuckups that only care about power, money and guns. As long as the gubment doesn't take their guns away, everything else is a-ok. Sanctity of life is a completely alien or at least irrelevant concept to them. If they say otherwise, well, don't believe their lies anymore.
Would it really kill the US gun industry and retailers if they stopped selling military grade weapons to psychos? No, it wouldn't. But even if it did, then those businesses would deserve to die, as opposed to actual humans dying. Good fucking riddance, now get a job that doesn't involve blood money.
I know that Michael Moore, a gun critic of sorts, has an NRA membership card, but he's fat so he's useless. But I won't bully him now. Maybe later.
There's a small glimmer of hope, and it's the youth. If the American youth feels that the government WON'T protect them, they should keep protesting and skip school as long as it takes. The Brits did away with corporal punishment in schools, so it can be done.

The furries I know LOATH everything SJWs stand for. One of them has told me that he knows several others that are the same way but either try to be as non-political as possible or even fake towing the Left's line just to keep themselves from being attacked.

FA, yeah, is probably dead, but there are more good people in the broader community than you think.

Just showing their age, I guess. They weren't a part of their world, so…

Hey, everybody, I need some quick help here.

Was there ever any concrete evidence of the sockpuppet accounts that Anita and Zoe and whoever else used (or their cohorts)? Like someone admitting to having created them, or a screenshot showing them never being used after they said the "mean things?"

I ask because I have no idea of how to search for that. This is for a paper.

Yeah, I saw that and rolled my eyes, too. It's a pity that he thinks that way about them, but like I said earlier, I think it's just him showing his age.

@ Dioxin Jimmy

I know. Furries may infight a lot (good amount of people who are anti-furries were former furries themselves or still are) but most of them don't seem to like SJWs and don't like FA's mess of policies about posting works and other antics involving the head guy and management.

And I guess that is true of most politicians these days, they often aren't the older folks who know much about games other than the barebones.

And as to your question, maybe Kiwi farms threads on the two might have something. Those guys keep records of people's public antics online, avoiding the line of stealing private information. That and they try to be neutral in matters, even one time I think they did something that drove both pro and anti-gamergaters mad so that they could get people lolcowz. If you decide to ask there instead of looking, make sure that you avoid giving any personal details about yourself as Kiwifarms calls that powerleveling and depending on how far you go, might get you lolcow thread.

I was about to agree until you said "USA-Nazistan." From there on it was not the best statement.
I do agree on many things though.
But I perceive Trump's stance on video game violence, and media violence in general, as an evident reaction to his feelings being tugged. It is clear he is prone to make mistakes when it appeals to his emotions, just like attacking Syrian forces because he believed they caused the poison strike on civilians.
Despite my stance on him being more favorable than that of most mexicans, I feel that flaw of his could lead to trouble.

I have met furries on both ends in a 60-40 proportion, with most against SJW ideals, but most of them just fall in line before the loud minority.

Yes. It is a contextual thing. He is probably as familiar with video games as one's father. I doubt it is out of ill intent, but rather ignorance and emotional reaction, that he called for the censorship of violence in all media but with emphasis in video games. Despite it being nonsensical however, I do not see censorship of violence as awful as censorship of views or nudity. In fact compared to Western censorship, Japanese censorship is more reasonable. They tend to tone down violence, but not remove it entirely.
It is a compromise I am willing to tolerate temporally. However I do seek the end of all censorship.

I think that's a bit of an understatement with Trump.

I don't see him as a terrifying mastermind or the inspiring God Emperor, to me he is just another politician who happens to be a businessman who is half of the time smarter than people give him credit for and half of the time really fucking stupid.

Case in point is how he had a good PR time who knew how to use the media to his benefit and appealed to the midwest rural Americans with promises to stop if nor reverse the decline that their communities have been going through and his tax cuts are trying to go with the idea of encouraging businesses to come back and provide jobs for the US. Now the other side of the coin is how he gets pissed at Steve Bannon despite how the latter was polite and respectful with him and said that what was in Fire and Fury book was lies and half-truths, and then how despite the power his party has had a bitch of a time getting the medicare act looked at (one person who voted no was one person he insulted that came back to bite him in the ass) as well as embrassessing himself with announcing on twitter of banning Transgenders when the military simply wanted to reduce the funds and costs for surgeries and quite possibly didn't want him saying all that on twitter first.

Not sure if you could say that he has a habit of leaping first before thinking if the gap is a little too wide for the leap. At least he hasn't planned anything really yet about the government banning or censoring games in regards to their content, there is the loot box thing in Hawaii but that's a state looking at it and trying to be reasonable in looking at lootboxes and trying not to go overboard about it.

Well crap all the stuff the past couple of years has started taking it's toll on the video game industry. Between lootboxes, gamergate and all that stupid shit that's happened the past couple of years gamers are starting to prefer indie games and eastern games more and more. Last year was a amazing year for indie games and japanese games financially.

To illustrate what I mean:
Wolfenstein 2 in total sold 400k units and was a MASSIVE financial failure.
Xenoblade 2 outsold Wolfenstein 2 on launch.
Cuphead sold 1.4 million

If western AAA game companies that keep doing this shit are going to have to unfuck themselves pretty fast cause with how much sales are declining it's going to be hard explaining to investors why games by a dozen people are earning more money than games worked on by hundreds of people and tens of millions of dollars budgets.

I know Jim Sterling is not a universally liked person, but the guy does have some good points about the gaming industry having some huge problems when it comes to publishers.

Like I am amazed lately how much Bungie and Activision are pissing off their fans that they are moving from Destiny 2 to Monster Hunter World. Along with EA's greed getting so bad that they've been caught out on several lies and attracted several governments to look into lootboxes. Then there was Middle-Earth: Shadow of War which had such a fucking horrible PR event after another that it likely stopped a good many customers from buying the game ( which was one of many reasons, another was how the devs in their interviews act like they knew the lore, but really cherrypicked pieces here and there and bastardised the whole thing onto the level of a crap fanfic).

Although that is not to say that the Eastern video game market might become better or the indie.

Capcom and SEGA have had their moments of sheer greed and dickery, although Konami might take the award there https://www.polygon.com/2018/2/23/17042242/metal-gear-survive-sv-coins-boosts-character-save-slots-micotransactions-konami

And SidAlpha and Jim highlight that there are plenty of Indie devs that are complete bastards like one game dev company putting a virus onto its customers' computers to search for pirated copies of their game.