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The ork slavery thing is rather dumb. Yeah, slavery is a very vile thing in real life but in this case? This slavery is in a game involving a fictional race that consist of elves that got corrupted.

Sure its something the player does in the game but even then, I wouldn't be surprised if the devs were doing that to show the fact that you may end up being similar to Sauron in your quest against him.

As for the orcs "not being forgotten", wasn't that just simply for a trailer that had a character as tribute to one of the devs that passed away (while also coming off as paid dlc)?

Actually as I came to understand it it was for the improved nemisis system. Basically if you saved someone there would be a chance they would save you back, and if you humiliated one they'd hold a grudge. There were quite a few of the trailers.

Anyway more games journalism:

IGN buys Humble Bundle

This is a little bit funny in neogaf's dying breath they blamed gamergate for what the site owner did.

That image is super tiny, though. Not really surprised about them blaming gamergate. Neogaf was doing well in site traffic, in spite of the banning problems, but was far outshined by other gaming forums like GameFAQs, which don't have censor-happy mods and an incredibly smug userbase.

Looking at the image using "open image in new tab". It doesn't look like the poster in question was saying gamergate caused the site owner to act poorly. He's blaming gamergate for the sudden backlash (in spite of the fact that its probably people who were banned coming back to tell them they suck). So really the poster is blaming gamergate for neogaf being closed (temporarily, possibly permanently).

Also he secretly implies everyone in gamergate are pedophiles, sexual predators, actually hates women (neogaf has done a better job of harassing women than any gamergate group/subgroup has bothered to do), terrible moderators, runs forums that ban people who act rationally, and are hypocrites.

Don't hotlink to chans, the image vanishes when the thread 404s.

Reupload to an image hosting site.

The comment makes me think about the evil guy in a snarl going down with the ship, getting some shots in before it sinks.

So a quick summary of WTF is happening:

There was the Weinstein Scandal (hollywood big wig that gets movies made looks to be a sexual predator) which caused a lot of women to use the hashtag #metoo. Expressing a history of abuse.

One of the expressors explained their instance with neogaf admin evilore and as a result several neogaf mods and admins fled. Causing neogaf to implode.

In addition it looks like Kotaku is also taking on heat from the collapse. (and they would have gotten away with it if it wasnt for those darned gamers! )

deadpan That's some lovely self-admitted cherry picking there. Rooting into the comments to an article rather than the content itself and turning that into a strawman to assume about the entierity of the whole. sarcasm Why with such great detective skills, one could get employed by games journalism!

Clearly my usage of the words "looks like" must mean "I completely assume" end sarcasm

Trust but verify. Its why I post the links.

Speaking of links, neogaf is back with an update: however it appears to be that massive damage to the admins reputation has occured

@BrentD15
"Is that what this whole thing is about? A culture war against “the left”?
Sickening."

I would be very careful about how you use the term "left" because SJWs are the not the left just like how KKK is not the right. Many people who have joined gamergate or support it have flat out proven they are left leaning if not a leftist themselves. It's not so much a culture war against the left as much as it is a backlash from the left against new initiatives and plans that screw over everyone (especially actual leftists, because being told that you can't criticise something or you are X is the anti-thesis of actual leftist ideology). It's kinda like the left is rebranding itself and moving away from the idiotic "SJW" concepts.

About 80 years ago, the right did a similar thing and "rebranded" (more appropriate term might be backlash and reformation) itself from the segregation loving, KKK supporting society (KKK had an unprecedented amount of support back then with millions of members which crumpled once people knew what the KKK actually did and how they did it) to the far more secular and quite a bit less religious right that we have now.

Last but not least, since this a gamergate thread and not a Alt-right or something thread. I'd like to remind you that gamergate has been about the backlash from gamers over increasingly terrible ethical standards in the media at large and the media's near constant assault on the gamer identity and culture. Gamergate has nothing to do with left or right unless you are inputting the konami code ;).

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First off this is off topic. Bill O'Reily isn't linked to Gamergate. Stop derailing the thread. If you want to talk about why gamergate appears to be tactless, start your own thread.

If you want to talk about Bill O'reily's payout, start a new thread.

If you want to flame war another user, PM them, and suffer the consequences of the report system.

Continue to derail and I will have no choice but to report to a mod.

As for myself. I have not stated anything regarding dissapoinment in Kotaku not taking action or asking questions against Evilore. I only posted the article and infered its implied context.

Keep twisting words and intent beyond forum posters words and I will also be forced to report you.

@Bill O'Reilly
Okay… you do realise what you have written is overly aggressive and discards important details. Paying to settle your case is not the same as being convicted of doing the things you are accused of. There are plenty of reasons to pay first in american legal system then to actually get justice (time being a major reason). So unless you're telling me Bill was actually convicted of a crime and kept his job, something that hasn't happened yet, there is no reason for gamergate or any of its members to tackle this issue. It's not like we have a positive image of Bill O'Reilly or the company he works for anyway. In addition even if he did keep commit a crime and kept his job, what relevance does it have to the poor ethics that caused the assault on gamer culture?

"Can We do that?" Do we even want to do that?"
No we can't go after Bill O'Reilly for a crime he wasn't convicted of. Obviously we don't want to do that because we're not a lynch mob.

"How is that not a culture war?"
Because a culture war implies both cultures are actively attempting to remove the other. No one wants to see the end of any culture. The media is trying to take control over gamer culture but only because that's their only means to make money and keep their sponsors and funding. Gamer's just want to play games and aren't actually interested in getting rid of journalists or their SJW culture. No one has it as their objective to get rid or supplant the other culture as anything other than an accident.

If journalists get rid of gamer culture, then they lose all relevance and they lose. Gamer's are dead articles were meant to show that the journalists had control and NOT to get rid of actual gamers. If Gamers get rid of SJW culture, so what? the lack of ethics in journalist will breed it again and there's no stopping another assault on gamer culture by another culture.

You can't call this a war when neither side actually wants to get rid of the other. Gamers want reform, Journalists want control and relevance. Note the lack of war as a means to any of those goals.

Uh, evilore flat out bragged about committing the sexual assault and its very likely he is going to be convicted. Also several members of Neogaf have also admitted to be pedophiles one of them even arrested for having child pornography. Meanwhile everything O'Reilly did basically guarantees he won't get convicted of sexual assault charges.

You really do like leaving out critical details don't you? Also what lynch mob for Evilore!? People hate his site because it keeps banning anyone with a different opinion. The fact that he has pedophiles on staff and may be a sexual abuser is just the icing on the cake for his poor reputation amongst gamers.

As far as Evilore goes, we're more or less just laughing at the fact his forum is slowly dying and its userbase is more or less leaving for greener pastures (or making their own sort of NeoGaf). As far as lynchmobs, no one here has really called for the head or arrest of Evilore. All it is here is just people saying his forum is dying and he's screwed.

That's fair.

Hey, for the sake of giggles, can someone (with links preferably) show how Neogaf is related to the whole Gamergate thing?

I mean theres the whole being abusive to game developers, reviewers and gamers thing. But evidence would be prefered to show relevance. (I'm posting via potato right now)

Hope the formatting works. Neogafs reputation has been well documented.

Neogaf members harassing developers\calling developers racist and misogynist (which is basically harassment)
Exhibit A
Exhibit B
Exhibit C
Exhibit D
Exhibit E
Exhibit F
note that members are okay with controlling what dev does with charity money
Exhibit G
Exhibit H
Exhibit_I

Neogaf harassing others
Harassing a journalist
Harassing a journalist
(this was polygon member and yet we still cared)
3 (note user is banned for disagreeing with harassment)
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Neogaf and accountability
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4 (this is an exmod)
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claiming an Xseed developer was banned for talking in favor of child sexuality… which was not true

Neogaf and banning people for no reason
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4 (mundanematt's ban message)
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And many many more.

Thanks!

And now for recent stupid:

CEO of Polygon disowns friend and hates on BoTW because he thinks his save file was erased

Turns out that was not the case

Just gotta say: one should back up save files (especially if the Switch allows it). And more importantly, this is very petty, disown a friend just because of some save file. To say Nintendo is a dishonorable dinosaur because of this, all it does is show how butthurt a man is.

Looks like Gamergate and Anti-gamergate are being linked to a trump supporting, one of 44 milo interns who murdered his dad

The article is full of easily disproven links trying to show how evil gamergate is along with various other malicious buzzwords.

And now for ethics with games journalists:

Steam had an an image for their steam curator system update… and Nathan Grayson didn't like it

And neither did Zoe Quinn

or Domnic Tarson

Or Louie Proctor

Or Rutledge Daugette

Or Will Koehler

Or Andrew Ferguson

Valve has since switched the banner in the picture from Tech Raptor to IGN and then to Rock Paper Shotgun. So it could be on rotation.

I find it funny. Some people still defend SJWs and claim they are the left. They are leftists only as much as the Soviet Union was. They are pretty much fringe groups that got a grip on the media through corruption. Conflating such groups with anyone to the left of… Let's say Rockefeller is like saying Sargon of Akkad (A left leaning anti SJW and once rather prominent figure in GamerGate) is in the same line as Richard Spencer (White nationalist, not supremacist, nationalist, naive boy wanting ethno states.)

Now, if you ask me if there is a culture war, well, there is.A war between a dogmatic cultural ideology that centers on censorship and collectivism, and a culture that seeks freedom and individuality. But that culture war did not start with GamerGate and is no longer that tied to it. Only when certain groups of one faction attempt to censor content or force their views into gamers is that it ties to GamerGate, but, especially recently, most of the issue is no longer tied to even gaming at all.

Heck, one could even say GamerGate is just trying to keep gaming free of censorship or corruption. And when games journalists can't even get past a tutorial leve, you know something is rotten, with or without ideology.

The Cuphead jokes in regard to difficulty actually reached a global scale. Even children mock that journo where I live. They don't know the full details but they are like "I heard there is a guy who was so bad he couldn't get past the tutorial level."

More logical failures:

Media matters explains that if someone doesnt like liberals then they must like Trump and support gamergate

Also some journalist tries to prove video games create misogyny, by stating Mario Odyssey turned them from feminist to meninist

(full link, couldnt archive)

Ethics in journalism concerning gamergate:

MSNBC edits Dobson's tweets/threats to Anita Sarkesian to make it look like multiple harassers under the gamergate hastag were after her (youtube link)

The originals showing no relation with context

Heres an interesting twist: Is it still ethics in games journalism when the person committing offenses lied about being a games journalist? (kia link)
TL;DR
Anthony White repeately attacked Gamergate and defended Alison Rapp… while also abusing women. (complete with evidence!)

Techraptor retracted their Gamergate articles. They left up some articles with warnings that they are bullshit.

A twitter account that people say is Alistair Pinsof has denounced and apologised for his interviews.

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The latest issue of Popular Mechanics has an article on Cuphead and makes a passing reference to GG in the context of journalists failing hardcore at the game. I'd provide a link, but it doesn't seem to be on their website.

Hi. Resident dumbf**k obsessed with freedom here.

Before you ask, yes, it is related to GamaerGate because of integrity in gaming and because of free speech in gaming.

TL;DR: A famous erotic games publisher on Steam is crooked af. Also Steam is punishing erotic games developers.

There goes my plans for rleasing games with head pats and panty shots based on my literary work… Well, just kidding, I will just seek a way to make gamers get their lewds, even if that means personally emailing every single gamer who purchased my product. lol

I scanned the Popular Mechanics article.

So in gaming damage control, or ethics in gaming, a player complained about unlocking Darth Vader in the new Battlefront game.

According to what has to be done in addition to buying the 80$ version of game, one must grind for 40 hours to generate enough credits to purchase the Sith Lord.

EA responded that this decision was based on beta player feedback… and as a result the reddit thread that this all took place in is the lowest voted in reddit history (about 12 times lower than r/donald)

So the ethics lesson is don't double down and state that a unfavored gimmick to get more money/attention from your userbase is working as intended.

This Battlefront thing may be kind of a stretch since journalism isn't coming into question right now. Though, it does seem like a really shitty thing to do making players grind that much in order to unlock a new character (it was bad enough seeing that kind of crap in Super Smash Bros. Melee) and the other things.

Also, is that Honey Badger lawsuit against the Calgary Expo and The Mary Sue still on? Last time I heard it was scheduled for the 17th.

The whole Battleftont thing is shifting to blame the fanbase/gamers for "death threats" that exust in the realm of listen and believe

This shift in narrarative from greed to "gamers aren't letting us milk the cash cow dry" will probably shift to "darn those gamergaters." Given the pattern of blaming and the journalists reporting.

As for the honey badgers, theyre trying to raise enough cash for the witnesses again. Luckily this looks to be the last push before the trial.

Followup: Looks like CNBC didnt do their research and Kotaku of all things sets the record straight. Looks like that EA dev doesn't actually exist.

Also EA made it so that in order to unlock all the content in Battlefronts loot system itd be 4526 hours of game time or 2100$ of lootboxes.

But with their recent changes of making things cost 75% less… they also made earnings reduced by the same ammount.

Also there's cool downs on currency earning in the game.*

So yeah. Enjoy the 2+ years of grinding to unlock everything in a full priced Star Wars game

*video evidence that cant be linked/archived at the moment

@Alarkoz
" Also Steam is punishing erotic games developers."
It's pretty obvious why Valve is being a dick, but at the same time not openly refusing fanservice games.

It's been talked about for years but basically:
"Steam is the future of digital distribution"
"But won't there be a point at which other competitors can do the same thing like how a decade ago myspace was king of social media?"

On the one hand it's pretty obvious Valve doesn't like these sorts of games on Steam, but on the other hand if with how there's three competitors that are starting to be serious contenders they can't just openly throw them out.

If Valve just went, "No more fanservice"

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"That wouldn't happen; there's no distributor that allows porn"
Nutaku is currently worth $150 million dollars usd. The best estimate for how much Valve is worth is $2 billion dollars usd. Nutaku would profit greatly if Valve threw out every fucking fanservice game, cause their only real options would be to choose Nutaku for their distribution. (Keep in mind Nutaku owns a couple other websites, they now own Kimochi and such)
"So you're saying that it'll kill Steam"
Nope; rather that it would add hundreds of millions of dollars into a competitor's wallet.

I know this isn't about gamergate, but it's a significant enough event that I think we can all agree that it's a serious problem: Belgium and the Netherlands are investigating whether or not lootboxes are gambling.

The reason why this is important is that if either country says yes it is gambling games like Overwatch, CSGO, Destiny 2, that Star Wars game and countless others WILL have their rating changed to "Adults Only". The reason why that's a serious issue is that many physical retail stores like Gamestop, Walmart or such will NOT sell AO games and have dozens of times in the past pulled games from the stores whenever a game gets their rating changed to AO.

While I don't think this is going to be a video game crash there is a high probability that if governments rule that it's gambling we're going to see dozens of AAA video game companies go bankrupt within a year of this happening.

On topic but in Sweedish: Coverage on Gamergate, Anita Sarkesian and Felix

And for more english speaking terms printed magazine the economist proceeds to narrative spin on Gamergate

Called it. CNBC is upset that EA has caved to angry gamers by temporary removing microtransactions from the game.

So now the problem has shifed to a gamergate issue of ethics in games journalism: blame a games company for responding to backlash instead of doubling down against it.

Really? Then I'd better put some evidence to tie in the Battlefront II narrative to Gamergate and thus make this post be on topic.

Like this article from 7 months ago blaming Gamergate for a supposed negative reaction to the Star Wars teaser

And this one calling out the Gamergate scapegoat

But if you need something more recent how about a tieing arricle that directly compares the previous possibly faked death threats to the Star Wars Developer to those made during gamergate?

So Unless these direct mentions trying to relate negative backlash on Battlefront II Gamergate are not related to Gamergate. Then I must still be off topic.

I was going to stay silent because I didn't want to make a judgement call too early but this is obviously another case of bad management. I know its pretty obvious that site staff have a very low regard of gamergate and its members but this is ridiculous.

Okay you want an on-topic discussion about gamer-gate. Then let's start with this site and its repeated problems with allowing individuals who are blatantly against gamer-gate and its discussions to moderate this thread.

https://knowyourmeme.com/forums/general/topics/35855-gamergate-thread?page=56
http://archive.is/MeTjM
"Alright is it fine if I ask a question that has been at the back of my mind ever since I joined and left this movement?" -3Kole5

https://knowyourmeme.com/forums/forum-games/topics/45970-piss-off-kym-in-one-sentence?page=3
http://archive.is/MeTjM

"Gamergate is a stupid movement that have done nothing at all other than scream and complain like childish man-babies." -3Kole5

https://knowyourmeme.com/forums/general/topics/41809-those-who-left-gamergate-why-did-you-leave?page=1
http://archive.is/08SxQ

"They keep reaffirming that they are not dead or have not done their job as they need to go after the SJWs despite their decline in popularity"
"Instead of doing shit and convincing people they have created their own little circlejerks and are just complaining about other non-related Gamergate things" – 3Kole5

Anti-GG or Pro-GG if anyone is going to mod a thread, they have to be neutral or uninvolved with the subject. You are NOT neutral on the subject and in fact have a blatant disregard for the subject. This is not funny. This is the third time someone with authority on this website has exercised it to attempt to bully people in this thread.

This is not a personal attack nor is it meant to be one. I cannot sit idle when its obvious by your second post you are not behaving reasonable nor really reading the posts of anyone on this thread before you use your mod powers.

The moderator known as three cole five yet again boosting his own beliefs via abuse of moderatorship! To trample down on those he disagrees with and claiming to do it because of "rules"! The mod who has actually openly supported genocide on this very site spreads his fog of corruption, throwing away any pretention of unbiased moderation in his crusade. Suprising! Shocking! Impossible to have been predicted!

To stay on topic, gamergate is a movement originally claimed to be about ethics in video game journalism started in 2014 or something.

Also don't forget Gamergate has been dead/resurected/placed in a shrodinger box/observed/unconfirmed…

Essentially