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@MrKillUltra

So you're saying that mod 3kole5 wants to see articles posted in here about his narrow views on how Gamergate should be after SJW types? Specially those against gamergate?

I think they're doing a terriffic job of sabotaging themselves.

Like this one from three days ago about Anti-gamergate webiste Vice (publishers of gamers are dead and how!) having clauses that protected against female staff from filing harassment claims to HR in the company

Garde wrote:

@MrKillUltra

So you're saying that mod 3kole5 wants to see articles posted in here about his narrow views on how Gamergate should be after SJW types? Specially those against gamergate?

I think they're doing a terriffic job of sabotaging themselves.

Like this one from three days ago about Anti-gamergate webiste Vice (publishers of gamers are dead and how!) having clauses that protected against female staff from filing harassment claims to HR in the company

No I don't know what 3Kole5 wants (if he wanted what you suggested, he'd have said that), but its pretty obvious he is bullying people. The fact that he took months off the subject of gamergate only to quickly come back upon getting mod powers to bully people provides the concept that this was pre-planned/pre-meditated. That's how freaking desperate people get just to take a punch at (pro)gamergate members.

It's obvious he's anti-GG especially when you look at his posts its very obvious he was never a gamergate member (it's the classic pretend to be a gamergate member that left because "problems" that are never described in detail nor given anything beyond a vague nudge). 3Kole5 has shown clear contempt for the subject and his current behaviour outright implies everything we say is offtopic because he doesn't think gamergate is a subject that should be discussed at all. The fact that he had the audacity to claim you and others are offtopic despite putting the justifications for the topic you discuss in your posts (and you did so without prompting) is clear indication 3Kole5's contempt for the gamergate subject has not changed despite taking clearly over 6 months of break from the subject.
Really makes you wonder if 3Kole5 was spending 6 months just to make this attempt =(.

But regardless, I don't think talking about what goes on in 3Kole5's thought process is necessary or even ontopic (s/he clearly wants attention at any cost. You don't risk site membership and mod status doing something like this for anything other than short-lived attention). I'm gonna respect rule 6 and leave my thoughts only on the actions taken as a moderator given the clear history that both explains the motive and should qualify the actions taken as those unbecoming of a moderator.

@Vice
Yeah I really am surprised how Anti-GG frequently fails to demonstrate self-awareness. How exactly do these websites that exist using mostly unpaid labour, near non-existent rights for workers and blatant disregard for any internal consistency get the audacity to do what they do? And why do they do it without thinking they'll get any backlash for it? Do they just think they can lie and no one will notice?

"The culture [at Vice] was that if you sleep with your boss, or with your producer, you’ll get more opportunities. That was real"

Guess its not just hollywood huh? Makes you wonder if every place that virtue signals has systems like this. Virtue signalling seems to be a clear indication of cognitive dissonance at this point.

@Battlefront
And it appears predictions were right.

http://archive.is/zhqvr#selection-431.0-431.217

There are now analysts who think outrage is misinformed and that gamers are just overreacting. Clearly lootboxes are okay because they make money /s

"I think this story has taken on a life of its own," said SuperData's Joost van Dreunen. "It's a perfect storm of internet dribble and mis-information picked up by amateur media eager to fling dirt at a game company. Certainly, EA could have done a better job with its monetization strategy. (I mean really: if I'm buying anything Star Wars-related you better give me Darth Vader out of the box.) But overall consumers seem perfectly happy with loot boxes and microtransactions (see Hearthstone, FIFA, GTA 5, Destiny 2, etc.).

"Obviously, this loot crate controversy has been a fiasco and PR disaster, but I also think there's been some hyperventilating on gamers' part… I totally get the outcry if a company like EA screws up their game's microtransaction system – it can devolve into pay to win. And perhaps EA got close to that line here. FIFA and many other games have certainly shown them that microtransactions can be highly-lucrative."

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Sincerely I believe that, as long as it is directly related to gaming, in particular to blatant agenda pushing (Regardless of which ideology is pushed) or unethical behavior from both journalists and people within the industry, as exemplified in the video I posted earlier, it is pertinent to GamerGate since it is what the crux of the argument was about.

In fact I believe such instances are more on topic than some near dead and disliked news outlet just mentioning GamerGate, which is still on topic.

Let's put it this way. discussing the, more often than not negative, impact of ideologies and identity politics in gaming, EA's unethical business practices, poorly made localization and translation which sometimes includes ideological messages not found in the source material, and censorship in gaming are pertinent to GamerGate.

Vice naming GamerGate as part of the alt-right, Anita Sarkeesian calling Sargon of Akkad a "garbage human" and bullying Boogie, Salon necroposting about GamerGate, Funimation's poorly made dubs mentioning GamerGate, the fall of NeoGAF, and MSNBC tying GamerGate to terrorism, are barely related.

Finally the Harvey Weinstein case, Trump's election and presidency, La Beouf's capture the flag game against Kekistan, Kekistan, and people tired of the far left, are NOT related to GamerGate, regardless of one's stance on the matter.

As such, I believe it has been over two months since someone posted something entirely unrelated without both Garde and MrKillUltra asking them to not do so. This place is finely moderated by those two users. And trust me, if you are anti GamerGate, you do NOT want this thread to be locked or the users to be punished. For people familiar with memes you forget an old one, The Streisand Effect.

@MrKillultra Sorry. I forgot to mark my questions about 3kole5 as retorical. Though I do value your response on the matter concerning the recent events. I just wanted to make sure I was posting content the mod wanted to see based on his past criticism so that there'd be no way the post in question would warrent a third warning.

@AlakrozTheAncient Now Im going to have "Barbra Streisand" by Duck Sauce stuck in my head all day.

Anyway for more Anti-Gamergate publishing getting thier cummpance (as a followup to my last link) here's more on those suspended for abusing the Vice NDA

Okay bois, are you ready for some good ol', related C O L L U S I O N?

http://www.funnyjunk.com/channel/vidya-games/Ea+tries+to+hold+a+puppet+show+gets+caught/teTuLgr/

Yes yes, I know, funnyjunk, but the compilation is convenient and the archive links are all there.

So an analyst called Evan Wingren is trying to push the idea that gamers are in fact undercharged rather than overcharged in light of this whole EA debacle. This was published by CNBC.

Do you know what else Evan Wingren is? If you guessed "investor analyst for EA and Comcast" then holy shite, you're a goddamn genius. By the way, CNBC is owned by Comcast.

So we have an EA boi trying to defend microtransactions and tell people they are "overreacting" while suggesting prices should INCREASE. This was allowed due to an outlet purposely publishing the words of a person connected to both themselves and EA, and they did so without disclosing this little fact, making it look like the guy is just an "expert" giving an honest opinion rather than a complete shill doing what would profit his company the most.

E T H I C S I N J O U R N A L I S M guys, is this related enough?

Strate77 wrote:

Okay bois, are you ready for some good ol', related C O L L U S I O N?

http://www.funnyjunk.com/channel/vidya-games/Ea+tries+to+hold+a+puppet+show+gets+caught/teTuLgr/

Yes yes, I know, funnyjunk, but the compilation is convenient and the archive links are all there.

So an analyst called Evan Wingren is trying to push the idea that gamers are in fact undercharged rather than overcharged in light of this whole EA debacle. This was published by CNBC.

Do you know what else Evan Wingren is? If you guessed "investor analyst for EA and Comcast" then holy shite, you're a goddamn genius. By the way, CNBC is owned by Comcast.

So we have an EA boi trying to defend microtransactions and tell people they are "overreacting" while suggesting prices should INCREASE. This was allowed due to an outlet purposely publishing the words of a person connected to both themselves and EA, and they did so without disclosing this little fact, making it look like the guy is just an "expert" giving an honest opinion rather than a complete shill doing what would profit his company the most.

E T H I C S I N J O U R N A L I S M guys, is this related enough?

Have heard about it. While I was told the dude is just part of some firm that whose analyst would sit in board meetings like every other firm, I did have the thought/feeling that this could feel like a conflict of interest (said person that told me it wasn't was some game journalist though I felt he might of been overreacting, even if I worded my tweets poorly).

LOL at the thought of undercharged since really, while some of us would no doubt pay full price on some games, some of said games do feel like content was either gutted or the game itself is too short compared to other games. Plus a $60 would more or less be enough to pay since really, at that price, one would use that much to pay for other things like gas.

Strate77 wrote:

Okay bois, are you ready for some good ol', related C O L L U S I O N?

http://www.funnyjunk.com/channel/vidya-games/Ea+tries+to+hold+a+puppet+show+gets+caught/teTuLgr/

Yes yes, I know, funnyjunk, but the compilation is convenient and the archive links are all there.

So an analyst called Evan Wingren is trying to push the idea that gamers are in fact undercharged rather than overcharged in light of this whole EA debacle. This was published by CNBC.

Do you know what else Evan Wingren is? If you guessed "investor analyst for EA and Comcast" then holy shite, you're a goddamn genius. By the way, CNBC is owned by Comcast.

So we have an EA boi trying to defend microtransactions and tell people they are "overreacting" while suggesting prices should INCREASE. This was allowed due to an outlet purposely publishing the words of a person connected to both themselves and EA, and they did so without disclosing this little fact, making it look like the guy is just an "expert" giving an honest opinion rather than a complete shill doing what would profit his company the most.

E T H I C S I N J O U R N A L I S M guys, is this related enough?

Sorta? I mean there's no direct mention of Gamergate. Though a signifigant portion of those looking at this under further review state that its not an ethics breach because the investor works third party and has made stock recommendations for EA and Comcast. So it could be standards in practice and not an ethics breach.

That said, the math he does to show videogames as the cheapest form of entertainment is an absolute bluff. To get battlefront "affordable" he divvied up the cost over time at 2.5 hours a day for over a year and only isolated it to that one game. Coming out to 40 cents an hour vs 80 cents for TV or 3$ for theater. So yeah. Bad math.

As for etchics of games journalists… Anti-Gamergater journalist gets legal charges

Garde wrote:

Sorta? I mean there's no direct mention of Gamergate. Though a signifigant portion of those looking at this under further review state that its not an ethics breach because the investor works third party and has made stock recommendations for EA and Comcast. So it could be standards in practice and not an ethics breach.

That said, the math he does to show videogames as the cheapest form of entertainment is an absolute bluff. To get battlefront "affordable" he divvied up the cost over time at 2.5 hours a day for over a year and only isolated it to that one game. Coming out to 40 cents an hour vs 80 cents for TV or 3$ for theater. So yeah. Bad math.

As for etchics of games journalists… Anti-Gamergater journalist gets legal charges

What do you mean by that first part? There's no reason why there HAS to be a direct mention, otherwise this thread would be nothing more than an ouroboros of "this person said gamergate". The movement itself obviously didn't start with the focus of "who said gamergate this time" so why would that be a requirement here? In fact, I'd go so far as to argue that nothing more than a mention of gamergate, or an event where one person involved once said "gamergate" somewhere else, is LESS relevant than what I've posted.

As for the math itself, this also assumes that the time used in those calculations will in fact be spent, and the player won't be bored long before that. Also that there won't be any detriment to the enjoyment of said time spent caused due to the microtransactions and the way they affect the gameplay. Basically it works on the premise of time = money with no other variants, which is obviously detrimental to video games when compared to movies and TV because it has a much higher amount of variables, especially considering it is a multiplayer game.

I think discussion of the analyst Evan Wingren would count as gamergate material as journalists are actually using his opinions as material despite the obvious fact that this analyst did not do the math and in fact used a completely non-nonsensical metric to achieve his results. History has shown it only takes one or two of these idiot bigshots to cause decades longs trends of damage (see anti-vaccination, see the war on drugs and its role in disenfranchisement of minorities) and yet here the media is yet again, happily giving this idiot the ability to seriously hurt people.

The fact that Evan Wingren's statements were even given a platform should demonstrate a lack of media ethics. Usually its part of the journalist standard to make sure any statements are fact checked and not just putting them on screen for viewers to read. Going by this "analyst's" logic, a rubix cube being sold at the dollar store would be considered undercharging people because you can play it for over 100 years AND it doesn't take electricity or any other microtransactions to keep playing it. The price of the rubix cube is therefore negligable and thus consumers should be paying more for rubix cubes in order to make them profitable (the price should now be around 100 dollars).

To put my thoughts on the matter succinctly, you know you are not dealing with a credible expert when they compare an interactive medium to a completely non-interactive medium. You can tell the doctor from the snakeoil salesman because the snakeoil salesman will mention things that have nothing to do with problem you're having. It's not that battlefront 2 can't be played for thousands of hours, its that you'd never fucking bother to play the game for thousands (or even hundreds) of hours because its boring.

When people check steam achievements, plenty of users if not all of them have games with achievements like "start the game or play 1 hour or use basic game function" and less than 80% of the user base has it because they couldn't be bothered to. How many people do you think are going to put up with the shittiest progression system since lost planet 2's?

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Strate77 wrote:

What do you mean by that first part? There's no reason why there HAS to be a direct mention, otherwise this thread would be nothing more than an ouroboros of "this person said gamergate". The movement itself obviously didn't start with the focus of "who said gamergate this time" so why would that be a requirement here? In fact, I'd go so far as to argue that nothing more than a mention of gamergate, or an event where one person involved once said "gamergate" somewhere else, is LESS relevant than what I've posted.

As for the math itself, this also assumes that the time used in those calculations will in fact be spent, and the player won't be bored long before that. Also that there won't be any detriment to the enjoyment of said time spent caused due to the microtransactions and the way they affect the gameplay. Basically it works on the premise of time = money with no other variants, which is obviously detrimental to video games when compared to movies and TV because it has a much higher amount of variables, especially considering it is a multiplayer game.

Certian individuals are trigger happy about "not directly related" and not even mentioning Gamergate is their justification for the claim to try and lock the thread. (See page 70 of this thread for a case in point example) After all this thread is technically to discuss the instance of gamergate for posting in the comments section of the gamergate article (which could bring it back to trending much to the ire of anyone who visits the site), not necessarilly the ethics gamergate is focused on.

So while your instance is related to the interests of gamergate its technically not how gamergate works as a meme culture/hashtag.

Now can someone turnnoff that darn hypocrisy alarm? Its burning my ears.

(I'm being facetious/cautious, in my opinion this is totally related, but others may not see it that way. I really dont want this tread locked because the other two outlets on here, the article and comments section, pretty much are.)

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OK, this is a new one: gamergate mention used to talk about alt-right furries.

Trying to gather what was said, aparrently a genderless twitter celebrity made a tweet about wanting to assault a furry whom dressed like a fascist (red armband with a paw print) and got attention from "alt right" furries for being judgemental. Coming to their's defense were will wheaton and the living martyr, may her patreon never run dry, Zoe Quinn, prompting a game drop.

From what happened this individual got banned, then got vouched for by the correct people and reinstated.

I gotta say this is getting more bizzare. Gamergate is egdy furries now? I don't know how to classify this one than a generic ref point as to Zoe Quinn's reputation (all hail)

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Garde wrote:

OK, this is a new one: gamergate mention used to talk about alt-right furries.

Trying to gather what was said, aparrently a genderless twitter celebrity made a tweet about wanting to assault a furry whom dressed like a fascist (red armband with a paw print) and got attention from "alt right" furries for being judgemental. Coming to their's defense were will wheaton and the living martyr, may her patreon never run dry, Zoe Quinn, prompting a game drop.

From what happened this individual got banned, then got vouched for by the correct people and reinstated.

I gotta say this is getting more bizzare. Gamergate is egdy furries now? I don't know how to classify this one than a generic ref point as to Zoe Quinn's reputation (all hail)

Sounds like they apply intersectionality to GamerGate. lol

The funny thing is, if you tie fandoms to GamerGate due to a fan being anti PC or a gamer, pretty much all fandoms tie to GamerGate, because the movement was never a hivemind. There are furries, there are bronies, whovians, trekkies, anything who likes video games and decided to associate with GG is part of it.

I think GG is nothing but a boogeyman to complain about the sector certain people failed to assume full control of.

Garde wrote:

OK, this is a new one: gamergate mention used to talk about alt-right furries.

Trying to gather what was said, aparrently a genderless twitter celebrity made a tweet about wanting to assault a furry whom dressed like a fascist (red armband with a paw print) and got attention from "alt right" furries for being judgemental. Coming to their's defense were will wheaton and the living martyr, may her patreon never run dry, Zoe Quinn, prompting a game drop.

From what happened this individual got banned, then got vouched for by the correct people and reinstated.

I gotta say this is getting more bizzare. Gamergate is egdy furries now? I don't know how to classify this one than a generic ref point as to Zoe Quinn's reputation (all hail)

"How a Utah Twitter star fought back when alt-right furries attacked"

… For one, they didn't even capitalize everything right (it is a title). Two, what constitutes a "Twitter star" and why is it at all relevant?

Dioxin Jimmy wrote:

"How a Utah Twitter star fought back when alt-right furries attacked"

… For one, they didn't even capitalize everything right (it is a title). Two, what constitutes a "Twitter star" and why is it at all relevant?

If you're asking why this is relevant to Gamergate, it's because of the name-drop. If you're asking why this tread, it's a recording of the use of Gamergate in recent news.

If you're asking why calling the person a Twitter star in the article?

Heck if I know. Maybe they're STUNNING AND BRAVE for taking action against an edgy furry.

Oh and Polygon has listed Zoe Quinn's Depression Quest as easily within the top 500 games of all time
(Kia link)

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Garde wrote:

If you're asking why this is relevant to Gamergate, it's because of the name-drop. If you're asking why this tread, it's a recording of the use of Gamergate in recent news.

If you're asking why calling the person a Twitter star in the article?

Heck if I know. Maybe they're STUNNING AND BRAVE for taking action against an edgy furry.

Oh and Polygon has listed Zoe Quinn's Depression Quest as easily within the top 500 games of all time
(Kia link)

… It's not even a game!
It's not even good enough to be a 'choose your own adventure' thing!

When it comes to huge lists like those (500 seems like attention-grabbing to me), the people creating them tend to make nonsensical choices that make it all look like a popularity contest. I personally wonder if it was a combination of spite, and a favor for LW1.

I remember Game Informer did a list like that years ago and put the recent Call of Duty that just came out ahead of the first two Thief games and the original System Shock (I think). It seemed like popularity got more weight than it deserved, and there wasn't much consideration into how well it was received, how influential it was, etc. It's a stupid little thing that doesn't need much more than some light ridicule.

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Garde said:

Oh and Polygon has listed Zoe Quinn’s Depression Quest as easily within the top 500 games of all time

You could at least have linked to the polygon article instead of the obsessive reddit forum, or the tweet the forum links.

And making it onto the top 500 games of all time isn't even that big of an achievement. It's listed as 466 out of 500.

I just don't get why you people obsess over her all the time.

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@BrentD15

I'm sorry, but it seems you aren't oriented with the subject matter of this thread and more fixated on telling others how to archive information, while posting no substantial information towards topic content.

In other words, possible derailment. However, you are engaging socially, so you got a bit of the allowed content right.

The first post of this thread makes it abundantly clear:

”With the comment section often misused, please use this thread as a social hub or to share simple info on anything GG related.
Please remain on topic.”

The topic being Gamergate's own page here on KYM. You want to know what is mentioned and referenced in that article? Zoe Quinn and Polygon.

You want to know why the Kia link was used instead of the Polygon article? Because it illustrates the ineptitude and how out of touch Polygon is to their audience.

It shares simple information on those related to Gamergate hence why it's posted here. If you can't understand why, I suggest you re-read the Gamergate article.

Anyway another mention that reads like a hit piece, stating that Gamergate was the origin of the alt right and picked on poor Leslie Jones

The whole thing is revisionist and reads very poorly if one applies logic to the piece.

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Article tries to tie Speilberg's ”Ready Player One” to The Alt right suggesting it caters to the ”Ethics in Games Journalism" Crowd.

It looks like it's going to try a Reverse Ghostbusters 2016. Instead of ”see this movie because Gamergate hates it" it's "don't see this movie because it's made for Gamergate's."

The article is incredibly stupid. It says that the movie appeals to people who know a bunch about geek culture and those who are gatekeepers who question people on their geek knowledge, which is apparently some incredibly common thing. It makes an indirect comparison from this to GG because reasons and stuff. It also indirectly says that GG helped elect trump to the White House and makes a connection to the alt-right, which is obviously very unoriginal and BS. And, of course, that's bad and whatever.

As someone who's read the book it's bade on, I find the reason to be quite weak. Lots of people are knowledgeable on geek culture stuff, especially 80's things, which the book centered around a lot. Probably some Aggros may know a lot about those things, perhaps. And there's a surprising reveal at the end of the story (I'll leave some details out). A character reveals themselves to look totally different than from what everyone expected them to look like. They did this because they wanted to avoid online harassment. Mind you, this book did come out in 2011, but knowing the people who dislike us, it's easy to expect them to think we would dislike that kind of scene because I'm sure they perceive us as being harassers and harassment apologists. It just all seems whiny.

Lenny Guy wrote:

The article is incredibly stupid. It says that the movie appeals to people who know a bunch about geek culture and those who are gatekeepers who question people on their geek knowledge, which is apparently some incredibly common thing. It makes an indirect comparison from this to GG because reasons and stuff. It also indirectly says that GG helped elect trump to the White House and makes a connection to the alt-right, which is obviously very unoriginal and BS. And, of course, that's bad and whatever.

As someone who's read the book it's bade on, I find the reason to be quite weak. Lots of people are knowledgeable on geek culture stuff, especially 80's things, which the book centered around a lot. Probably some Aggros may know a lot about those things, perhaps. And there's a surprising reveal at the end of the story (I'll leave some details out). A character reveals themselves to look totally different than from what everyone expected them to look like. They did this because they wanted to avoid online harassment. Mind you, this book did come out in 2011, but knowing the people who dislike us, it's easy to expect them to think we would dislike that kind of scene because I'm sure they perceive us as being harassers and harassment apologists. It just all seems whiny.

2011. Interesting. I have been studying society recently in many aspects and noticed that, while the politically correct nonsense exists since probably the late 60s if not earlier (Depending on geography), the most unhinged form we see now and which is in bed with the press (Hence related to GG), bloomed around 2010 and 2012. The chronology implies what is probably the critical mass.

around 2010 and 2012. The chronology implies what is probably the critical mass.

Occupy Wall Street. They brought out Ketchup and the Progressive Stack, refused on principle to report rapists in the camp to the police, and introduced a lot of other retardedness that has since become mandatory in many universities and workplaces. At the time, people thought that stuff had been introduced by the feds and big corporates to break up the protest.

The early Gamergate research found that some people had relationships to Jim Munroe, the head of Adbusters which called for Occupy Wall Street. I don't know if anything ever became of that.

WarriorTang wrote:

around 2010 and 2012. The chronology implies what is probably the critical mass.

Occupy Wall Street. They brought out Ketchup and the Progressive Stack, refused on principle to report rapists in the camp to the police, and introduced a lot of other retardedness that has since become mandatory in many universities and workplaces. At the time, people thought that stuff had been introduced by the feds and big corporates to break up the protest.

The early Gamergate research found that some people had relationships to Jim Munroe, the head of Adbusters which called for Occupy Wall Street. I don't know if anything ever became of that.

Well, my dear. That is in America. But the madness is global. I think the Occupy mess is just a sign of something far more ominous… Maybe the Grineer Queens?

It was more due to backlash over the stock market crash of '08 and the bailouts for companies that used the money to hand out bonuses instead of "saving themselves" as claimed.

So yeah, like the Kweens.

Anyway. Thotgate, coined by countdanklua, as been reported and in a lecture tied as parallels to Gamergate. Logo and all. (Video link will he given in edit)

Whoops, here's the video:

I have it start at the point where he alludes and makes the connection to gamergate. Rewind for full context as to what's going on.

Also Mundane Matt covers Anita Revising Gamergate to suit her recollection of events:

People ask me why I in particular bring the social justice topic to GamerGate, they question why politics relate to it. They question how free speech is tied to GamerGate.

Well. I hope this video makes you understand a bit of why I think so.

It is all linked, tied to a web of corruption.

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Garde wrote:

Anyway another mention that reads like a hit piece, stating that Gamergate was the origin of the alt right and picked on poor Leslie Jones

The whole thing is revisionist and reads very poorly if one applies logic to the piece.

Well, is it not true that the alt-right have been using GamerGate as a recruiting ground, as Buzzfeed illuminated upon?


It's honestly not surprising; you take advantage of one's outrage, and sharpen it into an "us vs them" political movement centered around a persecution complex, carefully shaping and molding it into warfare against anything that would threaten the movement, including journalism itself.

@BrentD15

Sure, it makes perfect sense if you believe the alt-right also used pepe memes, milk jugs and kekistan as recruitment tools as well.

Fun thing though, the email images you provided don't make sense due to the timestamps. The one by Dan from 2015 happened over 2 years ago and he's voicing confusion on appearance.

The conversation between Dan and Milo happened earlier in September of the same year.

Milo comments on researching Anita and McIntosh running fem freq. Dated March 9th 2016.

The one on Arthur Chu's anon tip is listed Jan 5th 2016

And the hot tip posts about banning an old Wikipedia editor is from Jan 1st 2016.

Also these emails make no mention Gamergate nor allusion. Just people related to the events. Milo has talked about GG extensively, and the others mentioned in the emails have been involved (for and against) but it does not support your reasoning that Gamergate was used as an alt right recruiting ground.

Also that article is 2 months old. And it appears this is the same article that might have fabricated, or builds on fabricated evidence as discussed earlier.

For clarification it's December 20th 2017.

Wait, did Brent just imply that Milo is alt-right? Please tell me he didn't and I'm just reading this wrong.

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Slow times for the antics of GG and those against (I'm going to regret this, usually every 12/25-1/1 week ends up being a hot spot of collusion that gets reported sometime in March/April if the pattern holds.)

But EBALMSWORLD is late to the party on reporting on the tirefire that is Neogaf. Neogaf being reported previously as a hugbox for those whom wish to put gaming in a more… socially just agenda. As well as colluding on cyber attacks for several GG supporters or suspected GG supporters.

Garde wrote:

Slow times for the antics of GG and those against (I'm going to regret this, usually every 12/25-1/1 week ends up being a hot spot of collusion that gets reported sometime in March/April if the pattern holds.)

But EBALMSWORLD is late to the party on reporting on the tirefire that is Neogaf. Neogaf being reported previously as a hugbox for those whom wish to put gaming in a more… socially just agenda. As well as colluding on cyber attacks for several GG supporters or suspected GG supporters.

As a hard GG supporter, and sincerely with an axe to grind. I actually enjoy this long year of semi dormancy GG has been through. In general I enjoyed this year. The fact that pushback to most of the things GG stood against at any point is spreading have allowed me to focus on other more wholesome things.

I'm surprised the numbers weren't declining before that, but I suppose it takes a (probably) false sexual assault accusation to hurt the site, so whatever. Maybe there were some good parts to it, but the bad stuff at NeoGAF is easily enough to outweigh any good things.

Ok major ethics in gaming again. Which (un)suprisingly has gone largely unreported.

Destiny 2. There's a half an hour movie by SidAlpha that goes into detail, but I'm reporting mobile right now and can't embed.

Summary is thus: cosmetic reskin paints (sprays) are one time use for individual items. In destiny 1 you got a pattern you could use it as many times as you wanted. This means if you get a weapon slightly better than the one you have, there goes that spray.
And the only way to get them is in loot boxes that drop after level 20. However the xp rewards for that would deminish per quest if gained to quickly while stating the original earned number. When this was pound out, Destiny devs "fixed it" by returning the exp to full values… And doubling the exp cap.
In addition the increase rarity drops for a time perk actually reduced chances of a rare drop to zero.
The 20$ expansion pack locked previous raid content by raising the max cap required for raid missions. Forcing players to buy it if they wanted to participate in the endgame.
Also it ended up being a ton of reskinned content and introduced a new lootbox to purchase.
And now the winter event is here which only allows a player to earn 3 winter loot boxes per week across all accounts. So not per character, but per login. And this lasts for 3 weekend. There's 59 items in these boxes which means those that don't purchase can only get 18 of those items without paying.
Destiny devs have replied that they're looking into it, but they've done this repeatedly without fixing the issues. The latest on the winter bit has been "well look into fixing it, we love hearing feed back and we'll get to it when we get back from vacation."

According to some YouTubers this cash grab on Bungie's part is worse than the previously mentioned star wars fiasco.

As a result The forums are filled with users asking for the removal of the cash shop. (First 30 pages)

TL;DR: Bungie keeps encouraging their playerbase to buy lootboxes, and even when purchases are made: keep messing with them.

This could erupt into an entitled gamer shift, as seen previously with Battlefront.

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Happy New Year! (For some of you right now.)

Here's the video:

As for news concerning Gamergate at this turn of the year:

Anita Sarkeesian reviews Wolfenstein II, describing it as campy, violent and reminding her of Duke Nukem, as well as wishing to play as a pregnant woman instead of the protagonist.

Black mirror is totally a strand against Gamergate and the toxicity it brought according some writer on the NY times

Comics that rettcon and replace standard issued and developed characters in the franchise with diverse ones for the sake of being diverse don't sell well… and gamergate is to blame according to Comicbookbin

And Vice decides to blame 2017 on Gamergate, luckily the first sentence is a nice disclosure.

Last edited Dec 31, 2017 at 10:24PM EST

Garde wrote:

Happy New Year! (For some of you right now.)

Here's the video:

As for news concerning Gamergate at this turn of the year:

Anita Sarkeesian reviews Wolfenstein II, describing it as campy, violent and reminding her of Duke Nukem, as well as wishing to play as a pregnant woman instead of the protagonist.

Black mirror is totally a strand against Gamergate and the toxicity it brought according some writer on the NY times

Comics that rettcon and replace standard issued and developed characters in the franchise with diverse ones for the sake of being diverse don't sell well… and gamergate is to blame according to Comicbookbin

And Vice decides to blame 2017 on Gamergate, luckily the first sentence is a nice disclosure.

Happy new year to you, and everyone else here too.

Well. If they blame 2017 on GG, that sounds nice. 2017 was quite awesome compared to let's say 2014 and 12015. Especially on my end.

Also, since Sarkeesian's madness is the only gaming related topic addressed I will focus on her. I guess everyone has realized now she is kinda insane. I mean, playing as a pregnant woman in an action game? Is she trying to harm her or the unborn child? Seriously, pregnant women are one of the most vulnerable teams in fiction (Yes, the child is part of the team). Only a few stories, most of which deal with pregnancy directly, nail it with such a difficult situation, and it is totally something unfit for Wolfenstein.

Based on the context of Wolfenstein's PR situation, they should never cater to the likes of Sarkeesian again. So far it seems they did so only in advertising, which is a good way to test the waters.

Well here's a fun parallel, earlier I linked to an instance known as THOTgate, aka magicgate. This is what has happened since the Count Dankula film I liked earlier: (c/p from u/mcantrell on kia):
The Quartering was recently banned from Magic the Gathering by an organized SJW outrage mob. Basically a mirror of GamerGate – same tactics, same impetus (a failed, lying, camwhore), etc. This is known as MagicGate and is ongoing; MTG SJWs have infiltrated WOTC and are gatekeeping the major MTG forums.
The Quartering starts gathering evidence of other big name MTG vloggers and community members violating WOTC's own guidelines. (Standard anti-SJW tactics – make them hold themselves to their own standards.) He finds LOTS of examples, most of whom have sent death threats to him, his family, his wife, and his local game stores.
The SJWs respond to The Quartering providing evidence of him being harassment by posting creepy videos of his house, his wife, sending threats to his local game store, and threatening his wife and cat. Quartering gets the FBI and Local Police involved and noticeably stops discussing certain SJWs (presumably per FBI / Police order).
Whistleblowers start giving The Quartering the real scandal -- WOTC has no screening for Pedophiles and Sex Criminals, and there are a lot of them in the volunteer Judge program. The Quartering starts raising the red flag about this, outing around a dozen with around 2 dozen more he can't verify; the SJWs and WoTC immediately clam up and refuse to talk about this.
Other notable instances include WoTC's "Magic Judge" spinoff org "only temporarily" suspending a Senior Judge for multiple verified instances of sexual harassment (and not banning him from play), with the understanding he'll be a judge again "when he's learned his lesson," a convicted rapist not banned until an outrage mob formed to get him banned, a MTG player threatened to rape a WoTC employee who was banned -- and unbanned, without anyone telling the WoTC employee… lots of hypocrisy. Since they were using emotion not logic in this instance it makes sense that there is no logic involved.
WOTC's Judge program states they do not, and will not, do background checks or ban pedophiles / sex offenders from their programs. Several big name judges are outed by The Quartering as being child sex offenders and other sex criminals, they are quietly removed from the program without announcement or ignored outright.
The MTG community, who was all about respecting the wymmynz a few days ago, are suddenly absolutely silent -- because admitting The Quartering was right about this would be giving him a win, and they'd rather ignore it.
Someone points out that having these events WITHOUT background checks is illegal across most of North America. Various groups go into damage control, including…
WOTC comes out making blatant lies about The Quartering, claiming there's no issues despite their Judge program contradicting this publicly. Repeatedly.
The Quartering starts getting some media attention. Lou Colagiovanni, the award winning journalist who broke the Weinstein scandal, picks it up but no leftist outlet will cover it and defy Hasbro, who is a huge advertiser, so he publishes it through his friend's outlet, Nichegamer. IMC covers it via Milo's news site.
This media blitz extends to Cernovich's new social media network having him on a livestream.
During the livestream, someone (WOTC, Hasbro, SJWs?) organizes a mass flagging attempt to take Jeremey's channel offline, blocking all the discussion and evidence he has brought forward from public view.

This may require a separate thread, but Its very similar to the antics of GG as it played/is playing out.

Garde wrote:

Well here's a fun parallel, earlier I linked to an instance known as THOTgate, aka magicgate. This is what has happened since the Count Dankula film I liked earlier: (c/p from u/mcantrell on kia):
The Quartering was recently banned from Magic the Gathering by an organized SJW outrage mob. Basically a mirror of GamerGate – same tactics, same impetus (a failed, lying, camwhore), etc. This is known as MagicGate and is ongoing; MTG SJWs have infiltrated WOTC and are gatekeeping the major MTG forums.
The Quartering starts gathering evidence of other big name MTG vloggers and community members violating WOTC's own guidelines. (Standard anti-SJW tactics – make them hold themselves to their own standards.) He finds LOTS of examples, most of whom have sent death threats to him, his family, his wife, and his local game stores.
The SJWs respond to The Quartering providing evidence of him being harassment by posting creepy videos of his house, his wife, sending threats to his local game store, and threatening his wife and cat. Quartering gets the FBI and Local Police involved and noticeably stops discussing certain SJWs (presumably per FBI / Police order).
Whistleblowers start giving The Quartering the real scandal -- WOTC has no screening for Pedophiles and Sex Criminals, and there are a lot of them in the volunteer Judge program. The Quartering starts raising the red flag about this, outing around a dozen with around 2 dozen more he can't verify; the SJWs and WoTC immediately clam up and refuse to talk about this.
Other notable instances include WoTC's "Magic Judge" spinoff org "only temporarily" suspending a Senior Judge for multiple verified instances of sexual harassment (and not banning him from play), with the understanding he'll be a judge again "when he's learned his lesson," a convicted rapist not banned until an outrage mob formed to get him banned, a MTG player threatened to rape a WoTC employee who was banned -- and unbanned, without anyone telling the WoTC employee… lots of hypocrisy. Since they were using emotion not logic in this instance it makes sense that there is no logic involved.
WOTC's Judge program states they do not, and will not, do background checks or ban pedophiles / sex offenders from their programs. Several big name judges are outed by The Quartering as being child sex offenders and other sex criminals, they are quietly removed from the program without announcement or ignored outright.
The MTG community, who was all about respecting the wymmynz a few days ago, are suddenly absolutely silent -- because admitting The Quartering was right about this would be giving him a win, and they'd rather ignore it.
Someone points out that having these events WITHOUT background checks is illegal across most of North America. Various groups go into damage control, including…
WOTC comes out making blatant lies about The Quartering, claiming there's no issues despite their Judge program contradicting this publicly. Repeatedly.
The Quartering starts getting some media attention. Lou Colagiovanni, the award winning journalist who broke the Weinstein scandal, picks it up but no leftist outlet will cover it and defy Hasbro, who is a huge advertiser, so he publishes it through his friend's outlet, Nichegamer. IMC covers it via Milo's news site.
This media blitz extends to Cernovich's new social media network having him on a livestream.
During the livestream, someone (WOTC, Hasbro, SJWs?) organizes a mass flagging attempt to take Jeremey's channel offline, blocking all the discussion and evidence he has brought forward from public view.

This may require a separate thread, but Its very similar to the antics of GG as it played/is playing out.

Been following the case. Due to the circumstances I feel it ties to GG, but I think it needs its very own entry and forum thread.

Regarding the judge system. Where I live I know a few judges who were arrested in the past, not for serious crimes though. The thing is, there has never been a background check, applying for a judge is literally just passing a test and getting approval from local judges and DCI directly.

Regarding the background check. While I would not target pedophiles (Lest we engage in thought crime) no sex offender, regardless of the age of the victim, should be allowed in any such position.

So apparently IGN fired Steve Butts for sexual misconduct.
(don't make a pun)
(don't make a pun)
Considering the guy has a history of collusion and improper behavior I'm not surprised he tried to arrange a "meeting" of his dick, butt of a woman to meet.
(couldn't resist a pun)

Particle Mare wrote:

Lou Colagiovanni, the award winning journalist who broke the Weinstein scandal

Could I get a source on this please?

Whoops turns out it was Anthony Weiner not Weinstein. Thanks for the catch.

I'll put a lid in Magicgate for now since while The Quarterling learned from Sargon of Akkad and Gamergate about how their opponents choose to fight. But it looks like the Magicgate is essentially Gamergate in fast forward.

Also, Wasn't Steve a member of the escapist and not involved in Gamergate? Ah well, his charge does raise a question of ethics in Games Journalism.

Plus theres other things to be concerned with, like how Gamergate is somehow ruining developers game jams without being directly involved

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So more news:
The FBI found gamergate innocent of all crimes, but according to this truther reporter for Brit+co it really is about harassment against women.

Ready Player One has videogames and a white male hero, therefore it must be for Gamergaters is the logic of this'll article by maltatoday

The Telegraph contributes the Success of Btlright compared to the latest Star Wars movie by how it didn't call the audience Gamergate

Houston Press is worried that because Wreck It Ralph 2 is on the internet it could deal with gamergate…. Because reasons.

I swear gamergates some kind if buzzword at this point.

Its been a while, time for news:

A kickstarter to try a rebuy the gawker domain failed

Gawker being one if the sites that smeared and doubled down on Gamergate being a hate group against women without proof.

And James Damore, the man fired from google by anonymously posting his reasoning as to why diversity didn't work. Sues google for breaking the law.

The evidence list is quite "eye opening" according to appabend

This second story is related to gamergate's goal of resisting identity politics.

Also I lost a story I was going to post here under the identity politics, however it mentioned a "peer reviewed" journal posting studies that had yet to be disproven. Using the bogus results to agenda push. The name of the journal being: Race Ethnicity and Education. Or REE for short. From what I've tried to recover, the journal has been posting "proof" that states math is racist and needs to be replaced with diversity courses. I could be wrong, but im still going to try and recover the source.

Update: Turns out I didn't have to.

"Scholars" claim that statistics, (you know, those things called facts?) serve white racial interests according to REE (Reported by Campus reform)

I have a hunch that REE is going to pop up as a "trusted source" to try and give false credibility to claims that have been proven to be fictional as a means of re-writing history and facts.

Reuters reports on Peter Thiel making a bid for Gawker

Oh and Gamergate is mentioned in that Fire and Fury book that's been selling like crazy for the past week

(Quad post combo! I'll keep posting about Gamergate related instances as they keep cropping up.)

Well it's been over a week so time to earn this 5x post combo I've got going.

Ex Neogaf Mod sentenced to two years

Anti Gamergate journalist gets 3 years for crime

Critical hit publishes Gamers are Dead 2018 edition

As for recent events

Quoting the list here:

-Jim has a Patreon & keeps a break-neck video shedual.

-Sargon is doing his streams in actual venues & makes six figures.

-Ian Miles Cheong works for Milo

-Brianna Wu is running for Congress.

-Zoe still hasn't made a game.

-There are far too many high-profile male feminists accused of sex crimes ro reasonably list

-Gawker was knocked out from the top rope by Hulk Hogan, damages effectively bankrupted Nick Denton

-Ralph is in prison

-Slade never finished his game

-The Tropes Vs. Women DVDs have yet to go out, Anita Sarkesian has faded from public consciousness almost entirely.

-Josh McIntosh was seemingly dumped & cut out of Feminist Frequency. He is now effectively a half-forgotten internet crank.

@Garde
Not one of Anita's videos the last six months has broken 40k views. The last thirty days her youtube account has only gotten 120k views total. Yearly she is earning only $6k usd now from her youtube.

Idk what's going on to Shen Comix but apparently he has some conflict with Zoe Quinn (and her followers) and says that hes not with Gamergate all because he had a nice conversation with Ian Miles Cheong or something
Linked it to mombots recent tweet about Shen, thought she explained it well in her thread
I'm not very good at explaining things such as gamergate related topics, so I apologize for not explaining it well

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