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Polygon once at it again, Having seven undisclosed affiliate links on its article on The best new board games from Gen Con 2018

So they still haven't fixed themselves even at disclosing part.

Also, New York Times edited the stolen Seattle flight audio to censor the quip about affirmative action.

You know, it seems that press is purposefully trying to break every single piece of ethics in various ethics code lists as possible.

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This is more of a shitpost about stuff going on the video game industry, but I think some video game industries are starting to wise up. Before I get into it a little bit of a side note: something going on the past couple of years is teens are using personal computers less for say email and using their phones instead. This is good news for the video game industry because a lot of the "soon you'll be going to class in vr" "hype" has died down.

This part is purely opinion, but lately a lot of the hype about better graphics has died down. The reason being is that while there are 8k monitors and tvs they're fucking huge and expensive. A lot of the push up until this point has been metaphorical hype train has lost a lot of steam. To phrase this another way eventually video gaming will all be in 12k 60fps, but that's not going to be for another decade. A lot of the companies that have been going "GRAPHICS! WE HAVE THE BESTEST GRAPHICS EVER!" are realizing the next step graphics wise is going to be a small baby steps at a time rather than all at once. Hell even NVidia and AMD their latest GPU don't support 8K because they know it's going to be years until we see it become the norm for gaming.

What does this have to do with the gaming industry in the long run? The video game industry is starting to have some clarity. The money whales that are full of shitloads of money are all playing fortnite thus they aren't getting any money from them, hell there's video game companies failing because they're so entrenched in this model it's too late. The companies that spend exuberant amounts of money on games have nothing to spend shitloads of money on because very few people are playing on 8k monitors and it's going to be years until that becomes the norm. Lootboxes aren't bringing in a lot of profit anymore. Pay to win games aren't doing so hot right now.

To use an analogy the video game industry hunted whales to extinction to feed their greed and now they have to figure out what to do next.

This part is going to be opinion, but what do I think the next phase of gaming is going to be? Well rumor is that companies are separating their vr for tv from vr for gaming. The current rumor is that the next vive is going to have full body tracking in the box and a low end model without any tracking. Like say in five years if you pop a low end vr headset on it'll still work with games but it won't have any motion trackers or such and you'll have to rely on keyboard; vr for gaming can work with movies but with video games it'll be a bit like ready player one. The current true full body tracking suits companies are working on cost about $1100. The benefit of separating the two sorts of products is that shows and such don't have to faf around with support for motion sensors they can just have two cameras recording. The gaming headset having full body tracking native wouldn't have to do any extra support. The current problem with it is because it's essentially two different products you have to do extra work and it's janky as hell. Having full body tracking native would fix the shit controls for the most part and keep the cost lower.

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Another thing: AAA companies are starting to slowly abandon Steam. They charge like 30% of profits. It's no wonder why Valve is thinking about going back into gaming, because with how things are going the current model would not work in say ten years if the only people still using them are indie companies too poor to give them billions of dollars.

Evilthing wrote:

Crappy Games Wiki and Awful Movies Wiki are to be closed by Fandom VTSF for "Pushing GamerGate Thought". Basically, admins are pushing the "gamergate is a harassment group" narrative.

Here is a discussion

Apparently, both wikis were restored later.

One thing that scares me about SJWs is that they are always engaging in collusion, as seen recently in many media companies.
The reason is that they dominate the HR sector. Almost all, if not all HR managers are SJWs. I had to deal with many of such in the past, which meant I am pretty much unemployable because they will reject me for not being one of their hivemind.
That's how it works. They hire people on "their side of the culture war" and reject anyone else.

Mentioning it here because it hasn't been yet:

Honor among Game journalists gets displayed when former IGN writer Filip Miucin was caught plagiarizing a dead cells video review. (He was fired from IGN as a result). Miucin doubled down and apologized for his review being similar but denied it being plagiarism. Then challenged Stephen Totilo of Kotaku to find more examples of his work being copies.

Totilo delivered and found numerous reviews of Miucin's being direct copies from NeoGaf posts to other articles. As a result IGN removed all of Miucin's reviews.

If you want more details, here's Yongyea, which I summarized for the above:

Oh right, why I posted the above. Here's Appabend with the explanation:

TL;DW: Journalists are stating that #Gamergate isn't active on the topic and therefore isn't about Game Journalism. Even though it's been talked about a ton in the Gamergate channels. The only reason why there's no "rage" is because the company responsible for the writer is actually being ethical and doing the correct thing.

However, thanks to the complaining articles, Gamergate is still alive, again! The ride never ends!

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AlarkozTheAncient wrote:

One thing that scares me about SJWs is that they are always engaging in collusion, as seen recently in many media companies.
The reason is that they dominate the HR sector. Almost all, if not all HR managers are SJWs. I had to deal with many of such in the past, which meant I am pretty much unemployable because they will reject me for not being one of their hivemind.
That's how it works. They hire people on "their side of the culture war" and reject anyone else.

It's been getting to where I'm almost afraid to even try to get into anywhere. These people are everywhere and have the propensity of getting into influential places, which poisons everything connected to them.

Evilthing wrote:

Crappy Games Wiki and Awful Movies Wiki are to be closed by Fandom VTSF for "Pushing GamerGate Thought". Basically, admins are pushing the "gamergate is a harassment group" narrative.

Here is a discussion

Apparently, both wikis were restored later.

Having read the Crappy Games Wiki, they did have a few GG pages and yet when looking at some other articles, they can list reasons why a game was crap in that a game had sexist content and misogyny. That can't really be "Pushing GamerGate Thought". That said, it's all wikis. Anyone can edit stuff on there they don't like a justify it to the people that check the pages to see if it can stay. I'll admit to not seeing the latter but a wiki on awful films being reported because of the Ghostbusters remake page having "sexism" makes one wonder if those that don't like criticism of a remake simply think any or most critique of the film are just misogynerds. Even then, one of the comments responding to the person that reported the wikis said that the mention of SJW's was just in the comments.

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Garde wrote:

Oh right, why I posted the above. Here's Appabend with the explanation:

TL;DW: Journalists are stating that #Gamergate isn't active on the topic and therefore isn't about Game Journalism. Even though it's been talked about a ton in the Gamergate channels. The only reason why there's no "rage" is because the company responsible for the writer is actually being ethical and doing the correct thing.

However, thanks to the complaining articles, Gamergate is still alive, again! The ride never ends!

Knowing KiA they've probably made a thread or two discussing it. Pretty sure some YouTubers covered this, like the person above. I'm pretty sure the Anti-GG crowd pretends this doesn't happen, or is far too insular and oblivious to even notice it, like all the time. And if IGN didn't fire him and covered it up with some crap like he was being harassed, then the discussion would balloon and be even more active.

Still a cut-and-dry issue, though.

I'm not surprised by this: Red Dead Redemption 2 is the only western AAA game so far, that came out in summer 2018, that has managed to meet sales expectations.

Accurate description of western AAA game development currently:

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Dioxin Jimmy wrote:

It's been getting to where I'm almost afraid to even try to get into anywhere. These people are everywhere and have the propensity of getting into influential places, which poisons everything connected to them.

After my own personal experiences I gave up completely and began to work as a full time writer. I intend to publish a novel in this year's last quarter.
Self employment is the only way to deal with SJWs working in HR offices. You start your own project, get big enough to start a company, and prevent them from infecting it.

This isn't gamergate related, but Valve has released Proton a modified version of Wine. The reason why I like this is that Wine is the buggiest shit imaginable and it takes so much to fuck around to get it working; while this won't work with most games it'll at least make it so you don't have to fuck around getting it to work; that'd be Valve's job.

Yay; Sony and other companies are realizing games as a service business model don't work. Literally every single new "games as a service" game this quarter has financially failed. The downside of this though is the way we might see the comeback of single player games and games without shitloads of dlc is they're talking about reducing content. Prepare for a shitload of $30 games cause companies are too lazy to put in any effort anymore.

Short version: AAA companies got their asses kicked by fortnite so they're slinking back to us, but instead of putting effort into single player games without dlc they're already talking about using minimal effort with them.

Well it seems that Zoe Quinn finally made a response after 100 days of inactivity in Kickstarter.
Well it seems that the entry got it covered though
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It's kinda funny how people still defending Zoe even though she legitimately scammed 85k
Chuck and Zoe on 100% damage control

Dioxin Jimmy wrote:

According to Kiwi-Farms, Zoe Quinn did something… peculiar back in 2016. I've got a few theories as to why, assuming it's true, but I'll have to get into those a little later.

Since you brought up Kiwi-Farms, this may as well be GG related: A guy known as SidAlpha did a video related to Quinn's Kickstarter. Said Kickstarter, being some game involving Chuck Tingle, is receiving allegations of being a scam. This has lead some people to call SidAlpha out on being some GamerGate nut trying to attack Zoe.

The Kiwi Farmer you linked made this post with all that entails.
https://kiwifarms.net/threads/zoe-quinn-chelsea-van-valkenburg-locke-valentine-unburntwitch-primeape-crashoverride.14263/page-523#post-3726272

Wow; so apparently sjw's are starting to call non-white comicsgaters "monkeys". Brian Keene doubled down when he was called out for this.

Steam now has a adults only section, but it's turned off by default.

Garde wrote:

So PAX was this weekend and Riot Games decided to host a development panel where the attendees could ge only female and non binary. However, in addition to excluding the men they also excluded men whom identifed as female too.

Once would be bad but there were two panels, one the day after.

Unfortunately for riot, it looks loke they might be in violation of Washington State Law.

Update: The most vicious SJW in Riot has now been fired.

You might remember him from his long-ass rants about how excluding people is actually inclusion.

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YourHigherBrainFunctions wrote:

Wow; so apparently sjw's are starting to call non-white comicsgaters "monkeys". Brian Keene doubled down when he was called out for this.

Steam now has a adults only section, but it's turned off by default.

I'd like to see that. If monkeys is all they can come up with, inb4 the SJW's make themselves look like racist when they use it on a black person who is pro-comicsgate.

SicklyVivian wrote:

I'd like to see that. If monkeys is all they can come up with, inb4 the SJW's make themselves look like racist when they use it on a black person who is pro-comicsgate.

Back when GamerGate was the serious one, they made bigoted remarks to people siding with GamerGate. They are always racist.

Ironically RIot is full of SJWs. I loved League of Legends, and one of my waifus is part of the game. But I am not coming back. I left when they began to make lore changes. Now that they went full SJW I am leaving until they repent. I will cherish my memories of Lulu, but I don't feel like returning to a game which has not the same lore and is controlled by SJWs.

This is a little funny. Since there hasn't been any major big shitstorms in a couple months sjw forums, like resetera, are starting to realize their constituents are assholes. Without a clear enemy in mind they have nothing to project their own shortcomings onto.

Lenny Guy said:

…or that she somehow managed to get a quarter of the votes.

Lynch is a fairly moderate Democrat (he might be the most conservative in the state's House delegation) and Wu was hard left, so that quarter likely represented the progressives who didn't really have another choice on the ballot that shared their ideology. In other words, they were voting based on ideology, not based on the personal quality of the candidate.

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Sanakan_ht wrote:

Well well well
Since that Zoe Quinn left Japan recently, Mombot (Japanese person) decided to speak out about Zoe and actually brought evidences that Zoe wasted lots of money on expensive stuff

>actually believing Mombot is Japanese

Look at the times she tweets…in Japan it's around 3 in the morning.

If she was really a Japanese mother she'd be in bed by now!

@muttondew

Did you just assume mombots nationality and that mombot has to obey a cerfew? Sounds like someone has internalized dispositions. Besides, all the gamejurnos know the account was run by the Zach character from 90's sitcom Saved By the Bell. #ZachAttack

Also I have to report that the age of a spiderman ps4 game… is post Gamergate.

At least according to the website that wants to he gamergate so badly, they claim to be for ethics and journalism (same article)

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Garde wrote:

@muttondew

Did you just assume mombots nationality and that mombot has to obey a cerfew? Sounds like someone has internalized dispositions. Besides, all the gamejurnos know the account was run by the Zach character from 90's sitcom Saved By the Bell. #ZachAttack

Also I have to report that the age of a spiderman ps4 game… is post Gamergate.

At least according to the website that wants to he gamergate so badly, they claim to be for ethics and journalism (same article)

>making a did you just assume my gender post
>in the year of our lord 2018

durgendolf wrote:

Was she there for vacation or business trip?

The former or probably both since she stated that she had to get a day job(s), but I think she lied about the day job part since we got to see a small glimpse of Zoe's Tinder and her other photos.

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MuttonDew wrote:

>making a did you just assume my gender post
>in the year of our lord 2018

Current year is not a counter argument. And so far, given the statements made by Mombot and her evident awareness of Japanese geography, not to mention that before things got relevant she mentioned she is a mother, also an artist if I remember correctly, it is evident she is Japanese.
Some people, including parents, are nocturnal. I know it because I actually interact with humans.

Lenny Guy wrote:

Not sure what to find more head scratching: the fact a person like her ran for office, or that she somehow managed to get a quarter of the votes. Don't know exactly what people saw in her.

In 2014 Lynch was running unopposed, about 25% of the primary voters made a blank ballot.

There's always 20-25% who will vote against the incumbent no matter how popular they are or how stupid/insane the challenger is.

@MuttonDew

Which person in here are you?

@durgendolf

She claimed it was for work, at the same time she said she needed to find a day job and was fucking around on Tinder.

It's exactly as contradictory as you'd expect from Miss "I can't finish the game because I'm so poor I need to work for a living. P.S. Check out my fancy Tokyo vacation!"

You know, I am surprised no-one here is talking about the relatively one-sided feud between Sargon of Akkad and Jim/Metokur/Internet Aristocrat has come to a head today.

https://kiwifarms.net/attachments/screenshot_20180916-101946_youtube-jpg.542345/

And that post isn't even covering even half of it of how the whole livestreaming stuff they both have done yet.

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Rustic wrote:

You know, I am surprised no-one here is talking about the relatively one-sided feud between Sargon of Akkad and Jim/Metokur/Internet Aristocrat has come to a head today.

https://kiwifarms.net/attachments/screenshot_20180916-101946_youtube-jpg.542345/

And that post isn't even covering even half of it of how the whole livestreaming stuff they both have done yet.

Personally, I don't care about Jim every time I hear about him it has to do with some bullshit he has either started or is propagating and for the most part that isn't really my kinda thing. Plus it has nothing to do with consumer advocacy or anything similar to what is often covered and will almost certainly be forgotten in the upcoming weeks.

Rustic wrote:

You know, I am surprised no-one here is talking about the relatively one-sided feud between Sargon of Akkad and Jim/Metokur/Internet Aristocrat has come to a head today.

https://kiwifarms.net/attachments/screenshot_20180916-101946_youtube-jpg.542345/

And that post isn't even covering even half of it of how the whole livestreaming stuff they both have done yet.

I just grew tired of the whole YouTube drama to some extent. Metokur is always picking one fight or another. Sargon is just one of the people he had a feud with. And in fact Mundane Matt's drama is a lot juicier because of… Well… Actually having a bad guy instead of two egos clashing.

AlarkozTheAncient wrote:

I just grew tired of the whole YouTube drama to some extent. Metokur is always picking one fight or another. Sargon is just one of the people he had a feud with. And in fact Mundane Matt's drama is a lot juicier because of… Well… Actually having a bad guy instead of two egos clashing.

Well, it would be a clash of egos, if Sargon hadn't tried accusing Jim of being a grooming paedophile and failing miserably at it before Jim could livestream.

Mostly I thought it would come up since those two, Sargon and Jim were pretty well-known if not the closest Gamergate got in terms of leading members until the latter left since he was done with the whole thing and Sargon… don't know if Sargon left it and just moved onto other stuff he'd consider more successful while holding a grudge against Jim for not be the leader of the Gamergate as well as other reasons.

Like I did expect some Pro-gamergaters to end up being not so different from the anti-gamergaters since you always have a few people who will probably let stuff like popularity, fame and money get to their heads that and especially when the likes of Brianna and Anita are pretty much fading into the background, but I am surprised that Matt and Sargon went beyond my expectations.

I did wonder if it is really sad for most or some Gamergaters to watch two of the biggest figures verbally fight it out between each other and now metaphorically one of them is feasting off the other's guts after said other retardedly slipped on a banana peel and broke its spine and can only frail about uselessly as it dies.

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Rustic wrote:

Well, it would be a clash of egos, if Sargon hadn't tried accusing Jim of being a grooming paedophile and failing miserably at it before Jim could livestream.

Mostly I thought it would come up since those two, Sargon and Jim were pretty well-known if not the closest Gamergate got in terms of leading members until the latter left since he was done with the whole thing and Sargon… don't know if Sargon left it and just moved onto other stuff he'd consider more successful while holding a grudge against Jim for not be the leader of the Gamergate as well as other reasons.

Like I did expect some Pro-gamergaters to end up being not so different from the anti-gamergaters since you always have a few people who will probably let stuff like popularity, fame and money get to their heads that and especially when the likes of Brianna and Anita are pretty much fading into the background, but I am surprised that Matt and Sargon went beyond my expectations.

I did wonder if it is really sad for most or some Gamergaters to watch two of the biggest figures verbally fight it out between each other and now metaphorically one of them is feasting off the other's guts after said other retardedly slipped on a banana peel and broke its spine and can only frail about uselessly as it dies.

Sargon did insult Metokur, but it seems it was due to past grudges between them. To be honest, I am not that fond of Metokur myself for things he has done and said which I simply could never approve (In particular calls to violence).

Sargon has been, since 2016, focused on mostly british politics, which also led me somewhat away from him.

I have focused, as most pro gg users, on the industry we care about, on gathering general knowledge, on the issues that affect our respective nations, and on improving our lives.

In fact what started as a simple movement to kick corrupt people from the industry led me in particular to seek my own inner exceptionality and improve my life.

There is too much to do, and unlike the other side, as mentioned over and over again ever since Jim pretty much dropped out, we do not need idols or figureheads. So what if one or two relevant people start fighting? We are seeking nothing but the truth, and truth cares little about fame.

I am more insulted and disappointed about Matt, who was also a prominent figure, because Sargon and Metokur have always been in conflict with each other for several excuses. What Matt did was simply worse, since he would also attac people he never met or who never attacked him.

While most of them are basically out of commission, I do agree it is worth considering what they have been up to after so long. I suppose however, the fact that their videos rarely appear here is proof they have been dealing with some other things.

In fact users such as Appabend and Raging Golden Eagle are more engaged on the matter since Metokur focused on internet drama, Sargon literally got into politics, and Matt… Matt just made random videos, mostly on the most novel and outrageous news.

Rustic wrote:

You know, I am surprised no-one here is talking about the relatively one-sided feud between Sargon of Akkad and Jim/Metokur/Internet Aristocrat has come to a head today.

https://kiwifarms.net/attachments/screenshot_20180916-101946_youtube-jpg.542345/

And that post isn't even covering even half of it of how the whole livestreaming stuff they both have done yet.

Mixing Youtube politics with real politics might be WORSE than the meshing of church and state. Is this some stunt to appeal to the masses? Or did he just beg to get in because it was a step up from wherever Vlogger careers lead to?

AlarkozTheAncient wrote:

Sargon did insult Metokur, but it seems it was due to past grudges between them. To be honest, I am not that fond of Metokur myself for things he has done and said which I simply could never approve (In particular calls to violence).

Sargon has been, since 2016, focused on mostly british politics, which also led me somewhat away from him.

I have focused, as most pro gg users, on the industry we care about, on gathering general knowledge, on the issues that affect our respective nations, and on improving our lives.

In fact what started as a simple movement to kick corrupt people from the industry led me in particular to seek my own inner exceptionality and improve my life.

There is too much to do, and unlike the other side, as mentioned over and over again ever since Jim pretty much dropped out, we do not need idols or figureheads. So what if one or two relevant people start fighting? We are seeking nothing but the truth, and truth cares little about fame.

I am more insulted and disappointed about Matt, who was also a prominent figure, because Sargon and Metokur have always been in conflict with each other for several excuses. What Matt did was simply worse, since he would also attac people he never met or who never attacked him.

While most of them are basically out of commission, I do agree it is worth considering what they have been up to after so long. I suppose however, the fact that their videos rarely appear here is proof they have been dealing with some other things.

In fact users such as Appabend and Raging Golden Eagle are more engaged on the matter since Metokur focused on internet drama, Sargon literally got into politics, and Matt… Matt just made random videos, mostly on the most novel and outrageous news.

I thought that Raging Golden Eagle was more about anime than Gamergate, at least that is what I got from Kiwifarms although they marked him down as potential lolcow and for the manosphere rather than gamergate or something else.

And before you ask, yes, Kiwifarms does rear their heads towards plenty of people if they smell something juicy about them and will search their public stuff for something juicy.

On side note, it does seem to Gamergate have mostly shredded off many people that were in it for reasons other than dealing with corruption or focused more on reasons other than focusing on corruption in the video gaming industry, examples being Matt, Jim and Sargon since Matt was kind of seems in it for the money, Jim for shits and giggles as well as keeping to being what I consider the RL Joker, and Sargon because he thought that he could get into politics and make change better than Anita or Brianna did.

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ThiccLoverLeah wrote:

Mixing Youtube politics with real politics might be WORSE than the meshing of church and state. Is this some stunt to appeal to the masses? Or did he just beg to get in because it was a step up from wherever Vlogger careers lead to?

Both and possibly his own ego thinking that he can outdo Anita and Brianna at their attempts at politics, which plenty have noted that Sargon has now proven that he might have failed harder than Brianna at running for politics just like he already failed harder than Brianna Wu at making and putting out video games.

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Rustic wrote:

Both and possibly his own ego thinking that he can outdo Anita and Brianna at their attempts at politics, which plenty have noted that Sargon has now proven that he might have failed harder than Brianna at running for politics just like he already failed harder than Brianna Wu at making and putting out video games.

How? To my knowledge, he hasn't ran for office or made a video game. I know he is getting directly involved with politics more and more but it seems premature to say it's a total failure but I also don't know enough about UK politics to know

Rustic wrote:

I thought that Raging Golden Eagle was more about anime than Gamergate, at least that is what I got from Kiwifarms although they marked him down as potential lolcow and for the manosphere rather than gamergate or something else.

And before you ask, yes, Kiwifarms does rear their heads towards plenty of people if they smell something juicy about them and will search their public stuff for something juicy.

On side note, it does seem to Gamergate have mostly shredded off many people that were in it for reasons other than dealing with corruption or focused more on reasons other than focusing on corruption in the video gaming industry, examples being Matt, Jim and Sargon since Matt was kind of seems in it for the money, Jim for shits and giggles as well as keeping to being what I consider the RL Joker, and Sargon because he thought that he could get into politics and make change better than Anita or Brianna did.

To my knowledge, Sargon of Garbage (Title he awarded himself in response to Sarkeesian) has always been a political pundit.
He however never entered game development, he just shills for games he plays.

Kiwifarms is a GOI I would rather avoid. They just instigate and have cooperated with SJWs in the past. RGE is in general into Japanese entertainment, including video games.

Metokur… He's just being himself.

The only one I hold at fault is Matt since he seemed legit, but was in just for the money.

Anti-Guy wrote:

How? To my knowledge, he hasn't ran for office or made a video game. I know he is getting directly involved with politics more and more but it seems premature to say it's a total failure but I also don't know enough about UK politics to know

Well he did try at one point to make a game or rather was involved in a development of one that never got release despite meeting its goals on kickstarter https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=237928584

https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/11101584.Zombie_slayers_call_for_start_up_funders/?action=success

And he hasn't run for office, but he is definitely trying to be a politician by being in the UKIP, even got to go to the European Parliament to help UKIP with Article 13 and meet Farage while with terrible fashion sense that Jim mocked. With what happened with Jim there is a good chance he might have killed his career before it even really started getting its strides down since news spreads fast on the web. That and there is plenty to dig up about him that would get UKIP to get his ass kicked out and he is already sort of butting heads with some folks in the UKIP party about where it should focus on, do in the future and how professional they should appear to the voting public.

AlarkozTheAncient wrote:

To my knowledge, Sargon of Garbage (Title he awarded himself in response to Sarkeesian) has always been a political pundit.
He however never entered game development, he just shills for games he plays.

Kiwifarms is a GOI I would rather avoid. They just instigate and have cooperated with SJWs in the past. RGE is in general into Japanese entertainment, including video games.

Metokur… He's just being himself.

The only one I hold at fault is Matt since he seemed legit, but was in just for the money.

I think Kiwifarms cooperates with any people who are parts of groups if they aren't investigating someone or some group for lol material to laugh at. It is why they probably got so much info on many groups like the incels, furries, SJWs, TGWTG and skeptics. They don't really pick favourites, hence why I think people hate since one moment you can laugh with them until you do something very dumb and double down or they found your skeletons in your closet, then they laugh at you. Like thankful for RGE, his single tiny thread is nothing compared to a whole section dedicated to Brianna Wu kiwifarms got.

I think Jim/Metokur is worse than kiwifarms though because the latter has at least a rule against poking people and just recording antics, Jim, on the other hand, does this a lot.

And to think I use to like Matt, but then I got bored of his content because it was just an outrage news channel at that point.

Rustic wrote:

I think Kiwifarms cooperates with any people who are parts of groups if they aren't investigating someone or some group for lol material to laugh at. It is why they probably got so much info on many groups like the incels, furries, SJWs, TGWTG and skeptics. They don't really pick favourites, hence why I think people hate since one moment you can laugh with them until you do something very dumb and double down or they found your skeletons in your closet, then they laugh at you. Like thankful for RGE, his single tiny thread is nothing compared to a whole section dedicated to Brianna Wu kiwifarms got.

I think Jim/Metokur is worse than kiwifarms though because the latter has at least a rule against poking people and just recording antics, Jim, on the other hand, does this a lot.

And to think I use to like Matt, but then I got bored of his content because it was just an outrage news channel at that point.

I get your point. I still avoid Kiwifarms due to their methods. I do not approve them.

The thing with Sargon is that he gets involved with the wrong crowd quite often and gets into fights for pointless reasons. This, combined with his rivalry with Metokur since he used the name Internet Aristocrat has led to them constantly fighting.
I follow both and stay neutral, even willing to give the benefit of doubt to Jarbo despite how he has behaved and my opposition to how he treats people. Anyone is capable of redemption, he just need to be willing to take that path.

Regarding Sargon's involvement in UKIP… Anyone can enter UKIP, which basically means his goal of entering politics, something he has made clear for a long time (Especially since the big Brexit debacle). He is just pursuing his personal goals in a way that exposes him to ridicule. Trying to join a dev team which never delivered and joining the political party that accepts anyone.

He is not doing wrong, he just looks like he is.

The thing he actually did wrong was calling, in a hyperbolic fashion, someone a pedophile. Metokur was accused by him of grooming because he influences teenagers who cause drama on his behalf.
Which is neither grooming nor pedophilia, mostly because no actual children are involved. He is just a terrible role model. (Something he would never deny).

And the fact that Sargon just let his mouth run into spoken diarrhea is something I am willing to question from him. Especially since he seemed capable of addressing the topic of pedophilia with the required seriousness as shown in his discussion with Amos Yee about a year ago. In which Sargon ironically admits pedophilia does not include teenagers, and therefore Metokur can not be a pedophile for being the worst role model for teenagers.

Curiously enough I was accused of the same by teenagers for actually being a good role model to some of their friends after I told those friends their "friends" were actually harming them through peer pressure by abusing them in order to persuade them of consuming alcohol and drugs or engaging in risky activities and self harm.

The cheap shot accusation of pedophilia is always thrown at anyone over the age of 18 who has influence over people under the age of 18 in a way someone else doesn't like, even if that influence is actually encouraging them to do better.

AlarkozTheAncient wrote:

I get your point. I still avoid Kiwifarms due to their methods. I do not approve them.

The thing with Sargon is that he gets involved with the wrong crowd quite often and gets into fights for pointless reasons. This, combined with his rivalry with Metokur since he used the name Internet Aristocrat has led to them constantly fighting.
I follow both and stay neutral, even willing to give the benefit of doubt to Jarbo despite how he has behaved and my opposition to how he treats people. Anyone is capable of redemption, he just need to be willing to take that path.

Regarding Sargon's involvement in UKIP… Anyone can enter UKIP, which basically means his goal of entering politics, something he has made clear for a long time (Especially since the big Brexit debacle). He is just pursuing his personal goals in a way that exposes him to ridicule. Trying to join a dev team which never delivered and joining the political party that accepts anyone.

He is not doing wrong, he just looks like he is.

The thing he actually did wrong was calling, in a hyperbolic fashion, someone a pedophile. Metokur was accused by him of grooming because he influences teenagers who cause drama on his behalf.
Which is neither grooming nor pedophilia, mostly because no actual children are involved. He is just a terrible role model. (Something he would never deny).

And the fact that Sargon just let his mouth run into spoken diarrhea is something I am willing to question from him. Especially since he seemed capable of addressing the topic of pedophilia with the required seriousness as shown in his discussion with Amos Yee about a year ago. In which Sargon ironically admits pedophilia does not include teenagers, and therefore Metokur can not be a pedophile for being the worst role model for teenagers.

Curiously enough I was accused of the same by teenagers for actually being a good role model to some of their friends after I told those friends their "friends" were actually harming them through peer pressure by abusing them in order to persuade them of consuming alcohol and drugs or engaging in risky activities and self harm.

The cheap shot accusation of pedophilia is always thrown at anyone over the age of 18 who has influence over people under the age of 18 in a way someone else doesn't like, even if that influence is actually encouraging them to do better.

Understandable, Kiwifarms while more complicated at first glance like 4chan than most folks assume on the surface still baffle me in how they can flip-flop between doing stuff that seems like a jerk with a heart of gold and then to just plain jerks who claim to be self-aware and make fun of themselves but doesn't stop them from being dicks. Mostly I look through their stuff since they gather dirt and stuff on folks like Matt, Anita, Brianna, basically any scumbag or soon to be a scumbag on the internet, although one does have to take a pinch of salt since even they can get info wrong and you have to do a bit of your own detective work to figure out truths from half-truths and lies.

And that is pretty true about Sargon, even though his beliefs and values might be different from UKIP's line and policies, that shit happens often with politics to make an ally with people you normally don't agree with because it is beneficial to both parties to work together for a while if need be. That and I can say that at least Sargon and that video game dev team did refund the supporters, which while to supporters is disappointing to not get a game is better than never being refunded at all.

Although I am surprised that he would go with the worst thing he could accuse Jim of which is a serious damning accusation that can easily ruin someone's life and if it doesn't can backfire immensely on the accuser. So far his attempts at damage control are a mess and too late, with some of his childish antics on his semi-official twitter for UKIP, War Plan Purple I believe involve dragging his internet drama into it is not helping him. Like Jim didn't and still doesn't have to do much, Sargon is doing most of the work for him and I am surprised that plenty of friends of his aren't stopping him from doing more damage to himself with some even helping him do it. You'd think from how they saw Brianna and Anita along with many people on the internet and social media screwing themselves over by their stupidity and lack of self-awareness that they would avoid repeating similar mistakes.

I will admit that what happened with Sargon does serve as a good lesson of what happens if you let your success, ego and pettiness get to your head and ending up ruining years of reputation building in about two or three days.

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Anti-Guy said:

How? To my knowledge, he hasn't ran for office or made a video game. I know he is getting directly involved with politics more and more but it seems premature to say it's a total failure but I also don't know enough about UK politics to know.

Sargon joined UKIP after his "liberalist" movement fizzled. Problem is, UKIP's dying. The foundation of their political platform was Brexit. Cameron may or may not be regarded as a good PM, but his referendum was masterful at crippling the Tories main opponent: UKIP, which was steadily growing in power and voters, at the expense of the Tories (and Labour's northern support).

With Brexit underway, UKIP is rudderless and most of its voters have gone back to the Tories. Sargon decided to cast his lot with a soon-to-be-dead political party. Even worse for him, as a would-be politician, every stupid comment he made in a Youtube video or tweet is now going to be highlighted by Kiwifarms or Metokur in a bid to keep the drama rolling.

AlarkozTheAncient said:

They just instigate and have cooperated with SJWs in the past.

One thing you can say about them is they do it for the lulz, regardless as to who those lulz are directed against. I guarantee if their admin got into some drama, he'd be the subject of a forum thread just like anyone else.

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