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Bookie wrote:

If you need it by tomorrow you're not going to get anything done, if you mean next week that's more doable but still going to be hard.

If you're still interested here's some sources

GamerGate Wiki.

Happenings List.

The KIA sidebar "What Is GamerGate?" has a bunch of resources

And if you have a Twitter account ask Blaugast because he has pretty much everything relating to GamerGate archived (109,000+ tweets of info over the past 2 years).

P.S. There's a detailed timeline of August 2014 here.


@Garde

> Gizmodo does a hitpiece on Oculus

Congratulations Gawker, you somehow managed to find a criticism of the Oculus Shit that makes it look better.

Also:
>features the “deplorables” meme created by the alt-right.

TIL Hillary Clinton is "alt-right".

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roberthaha wrote:

So Gawker changes it's name and then immediately harasses a woman off of the internet for wrongthink?

#OpDoubleVision is Go

Basically, in addition to what I reported above. Anti GG is harassing NikkiMoxxi for being a Gamergate supporter/Cosplayer of Vivian James. Neogaf, bots and corrupt Jurnos are trying to attack a woman on the internet and shame a man out of business.

Also it looks like this narrative is going off on multiple sites

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roberthaha wrote:

So Gawker changes it's name and then immediately harasses a woman off of the internet for wrongthink?

Also picks a blood-feud with another billionaire.

Out Thiel, get him to support Hulk Hogan. Go after Luckey's girlfriend, get him to back anyone looking to sue them.

After threatening a walkout if Univision didn't promise to cover their legal bills for any lawsuits.

All within a month of Univision buying them.

Bookie wrote:

Also picks a blood-feud with another billionaire.

Out Thiel, get him to support Hulk Hogan. Go after Luckey's girlfriend, get him to back anyone looking to sue them.

After threatening a walkout if Univision didn't promise to cover their legal bills for any lawsuits.

All within a month of Univision buying them.

Univision will probably just ax the staff if they're going to be a pain in the ass like this. They already have the assets, why bother keeping the filth that inhabits it?

Bookie wrote:

Also picks a blood-feud with another billionaire.

Out Thiel, get him to support Hulk Hogan. Go after Luckey's girlfriend, get him to back anyone looking to sue them.

After threatening a walkout if Univision didn't promise to cover their legal bills for any lawsuits.

All within a month of Univision buying them.

Univision will probably just ax the staff if they're going to be a pain in the ass like this. They already have the assets, why bother keeping the filth that inhabits it?

My essay is coming along well. I've gotten some neutral articles, some pro-GamerGate articles that were posted here, and found some anti-GamerGate articles on my own. I still see it as a big mess of conflicting ideals and saying too much will get you shit from one side or the other. I'm writing about how the GamerGate movement was overall flawed but had an impact, both positive and negative, on the gaming industry and identity.

My teacher says the topic is very interesting, and I know that this essay will be my hell for the next month and a half, but gaming is a field I understand and I'd rather be challenged writing about what I like than crapping out an essay about drone warfare or something. I've written a lot of bad essays in the past, devoid of life and interest in the topic at hand, but I'm hoping this one will wind up being good.

Thanks for the help guys! If I need some help I'll post here again.

> I still see it as a big mess of conflicting ideals and saying too much will get you shit from one side or the other.

Yup. Not to mention that even a yes/no question will get "But…" as an answer.

A Concerned Rifleman wrote:

Univision will probably just ax the staff if they're going to be a pain in the ass like this. They already have the assets, why bother keeping the filth that inhabits it?

In a word? Cronyism.

As for news? Most of the the articles going around in hashtag are concerned about the Oculus Founder, his girlfriend and Youtube Heroes still. So nothing really new to report, save for emailing Univision about the breach of conduct.

Tinfoil hat time

I had a small revelation that probably can't be proved. But there is a financial gain to be made by a company for attacking Oculus/Gamergate.

Sony has a huge loss in finances for this quarter, thanks to the Ghostbusters debacle (and other poor choices.) But they have a new* improved console (PS4 Pro/Neo) and a VR option.
Now, another company that isn't Facebook works with Oculus: Samsung. They have a Gear VR, and affordable accessory that works with Samsung cellphones as a portable "wireless" option. However, their latest phone, the Note 7 is a bit of risk with it exploding because of a battery flaw, costing Samsung a billion dollars in recall, and you can't fly with it.

Plus there's the added fact that the Jurno's involved had this story for 6 months in advance and pulled the trigger recently. Especially along with the aggressive Sony campaign for their own version of "affordable" VR. (also if you want more tinfoil hattery, The Ps4 campaign works with Taco Bell who sponsored that Vice interview with Zoe Quinn.)

So basically my idea is this: Make Samsung/Oculus look bad in order to drive up other VR sales and put Sony in a better light.

At least, that's my take. I'm just busy wondering what could possibly be gained by talking about Palmer, in mass, like this.

Removing the tinfoil hat

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Garde wrote:

In a word? Cronyism.

As for news? Most of the the articles going around in hashtag are concerned about the Oculus Founder, his girlfriend and Youtube Heroes still. So nothing really new to report, save for emailing Univision about the breach of conduct.

Tinfoil hat time

I had a small revelation that probably can't be proved. But there is a financial gain to be made by a company for attacking Oculus/Gamergate.

Sony has a huge loss in finances for this quarter, thanks to the Ghostbusters debacle (and other poor choices.) But they have a new* improved console (PS4 Pro/Neo) and a VR option.
Now, another company that isn't Facebook works with Oculus: Samsung. They have a Gear VR, and affordable accessory that works with Samsung cellphones as a portable "wireless" option. However, their latest phone, the Note 7 is a bit of risk with it exploding because of a battery flaw, costing Samsung a billion dollars in recall, and you can't fly with it.

Plus there's the added fact that the Jurno's involved had this story for 6 months in advance and pulled the trigger recently. Especially along with the aggressive Sony campaign for their own version of "affordable" VR. (also if you want more tinfoil hattery, The Ps4 campaign works with Taco Bell who sponsored that Vice interview with Zoe Quinn.)

So basically my idea is this: Make Samsung/Oculus look bad in order to drive up other VR sales and put Sony in a better light.

At least, that's my take. I'm just busy wondering what could possibly be gained by talking about Palmer, in mass, like this.

Removing the tinfoil hat

There is little proof, but your statement makes sense. Sony is ruthless with competitors and would do all they can to win any competition. It is a conspiracy theory, but not a baseless one.

Garde wrote:

In a word? Cronyism.

As for news? Most of the the articles going around in hashtag are concerned about the Oculus Founder, his girlfriend and Youtube Heroes still. So nothing really new to report, save for emailing Univision about the breach of conduct.

Tinfoil hat time

I had a small revelation that probably can't be proved. But there is a financial gain to be made by a company for attacking Oculus/Gamergate.

Sony has a huge loss in finances for this quarter, thanks to the Ghostbusters debacle (and other poor choices.) But they have a new* improved console (PS4 Pro/Neo) and a VR option.
Now, another company that isn't Facebook works with Oculus: Samsung. They have a Gear VR, and affordable accessory that works with Samsung cellphones as a portable "wireless" option. However, their latest phone, the Note 7 is a bit of risk with it exploding because of a battery flaw, costing Samsung a billion dollars in recall, and you can't fly with it.

Plus there's the added fact that the Jurno's involved had this story for 6 months in advance and pulled the trigger recently. Especially along with the aggressive Sony campaign for their own version of "affordable" VR. (also if you want more tinfoil hattery, The Ps4 campaign works with Taco Bell who sponsored that Vice interview with Zoe Quinn.)

So basically my idea is this: Make Samsung/Oculus look bad in order to drive up other VR sales and put Sony in a better light.

At least, that's my take. I'm just busy wondering what could possibly be gained by talking about Palmer, in mass, like this.

Removing the tinfoil hat

It's also probably trying to push a "Trump support on the internet is just astroturfing!" narrative in the aftermath of the New York Times reporting on CTR and Hillary-shilling outfits.

Beeb Hunter wrote:

My essay is coming along well. I've gotten some neutral articles, some pro-GamerGate articles that were posted here, and found some anti-GamerGate articles on my own. I still see it as a big mess of conflicting ideals and saying too much will get you shit from one side or the other. I'm writing about how the GamerGate movement was overall flawed but had an impact, both positive and negative, on the gaming industry and identity.

My teacher says the topic is very interesting, and I know that this essay will be my hell for the next month and a half, but gaming is a field I understand and I'd rather be challenged writing about what I like than crapping out an essay about drone warfare or something. I've written a lot of bad essays in the past, devoid of life and interest in the topic at hand, but I'm hoping this one will wind up being good.

Thanks for the help guys! If I need some help I'll post here again.

Just be sure to include the collusion that was discovered, the bomb threats the meetups encountered, and all the track records of the people on the anti-side.
Also, the more recent chat log leaks that confirmed everything we knew.

Bookie wrote:

From that perspective.

From where I'm standing it looks like she's whipping up moral hysteria with the same old "video games cause [X]" claims that Jack Thompson and B.A.D.D. and Lyndon LaRouche made decades ago.

She'll make blatantly fake claims, get her media buddies to do some smear pieces on people pointing out her claims, and then go to the United Nations to say that people who call her a liar on the internet need to be banned.

And when governments start considering restrictions on "misogynistic games" in response to all the previous, well I don't find that much of a coincidence.


And of course that "ban people who criticize me from the internet" part is pretty important, expect any implementation to include censorship of blasphemers (the Gulf states have been pushing for a ban on criticizing Mohammad for how long again?)

And that report is shoddy beyond all reason, look at the citations. Wikipedia, blank spaces, and a C: drive.

Sargon has more:


Of course the question is whether you'll call all these sources "biased" and not bother trying to debunk them.

well this certainly took longer than expected

And from where I'm standing I see someone making feminist critiques and criticisms on video games while pointing out sexist tropes and mixing it in with dishonest criticisms in the midst of her actual criticism.

Next, I don't really understand how the links you posted pertain to the argument in question. I asked how people like Anita are censoring games. The links you posted are for the most part hypothetical. The only link here that's at the very least is loosely related to people like her is her UN talk. Also do you have any proof that she has pulled "blatantly fake claims, get her media buddies to do some smear pieces on people pointing out her claims" in the past?

Also I'm gonna be perfectly honest here, I don't believe Sargon is in the right place to criticize censorship when I can think of at least one situation where he himself is guilty of making a call for censorship with his petition to suspend social justice courses, especially with such a flimsy basis mainly built on anecdotal evidence of professors being radical and with a group like Gamergate which is mainly for free speech with vocal figures decrying "censorship" going on in various video games and online, it's surprising so many would sign up to suppress these ideas, especially considering that this is a country built upon freedom of expression.

As a closing note, may I ask whether this was a snide remark made towards me?

Of course the question is whether you’ll call all these sources “biased” and not bother trying to debunk them.
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Calling for social justice course to be temp suspended for revaluation is not censorship. Especially when you realize that millions are being spent on them when they don't make jobs, don't actually teach critical thinking and don't teach real skills of any kind. The safe spaces these programs created? No one attends them or uses them aside from the staff hired to run them.

"must be halted and reassessed"- direct words from the petition

The kind of thinking that equates temp suspension with censorship is the kind of thinking that says we should let drunk drivers go around the streets because suspending their licenses would go against their right to drive on the streets wrecklessly and kill people. Or to put that in perspective of the social justice courses, their temp suspension would be against their right to teach nothing, make ludicrous demands, teach non-factual information and enforce lack of critical thinking while eating up millions of dollars that should have been spent making betting facilities, better teaching standards and in programs people will actually want to attend.

3kole5 wrote:

well this certainly took longer than expected

And from where I'm standing I see someone making feminist critiques and criticisms on video games while pointing out sexist tropes and mixing it in with dishonest criticisms in the midst of her actual criticism.

Next, I don't really understand how the links you posted pertain to the argument in question. I asked how people like Anita are censoring games. The links you posted are for the most part hypothetical. The only link here that's at the very least is loosely related to people like her is her UN talk. Also do you have any proof that she has pulled "blatantly fake claims, get her media buddies to do some smear pieces on people pointing out her claims" in the past?

Also I'm gonna be perfectly honest here, I don't believe Sargon is in the right place to criticize censorship when I can think of at least one situation where he himself is guilty of making a call for censorship with his petition to suspend social justice courses, especially with such a flimsy basis mainly built on anecdotal evidence of professors being radical and with a group like Gamergate which is mainly for free speech with vocal figures decrying "censorship" going on in various video games and online, it's surprising so many would sign up to suppress these ideas, especially considering that this is a country built upon freedom of expression.

As a closing note, may I ask whether this was a snide remark made towards me?

Of course the question is whether you’ll call all these sources “biased” and not bother trying to debunk them.

> Also do you have any proof that she has pulled “blatantly fake claims, get her media buddies to do some smear pieces on people pointing out her claims” in the past?

Remember the time she said the only positive thing about Bayonetta was that Bayo is a single mother?

And she's an adviser for Silverstring Media, a PR company.

> Next, I don’t really understand how the links you posted pertain to the argument in question. I asked how people like Anita are censoring games. The links you posted are for the most part hypothetical.

Both of them cited Anita as inspiring those proposed laws.

> Also I’m gonna be perfectly honest here, I don’t believe Sargon is in the right place to criticize censorship when I can think of at least one situation where he himself is guilty of

And does whatever Sargon may or may not have done change the factuality of his evidence or the solidness of his argument?

> As a closing note, may I ask whether this was a snide remark made towards me?

It's more targeted at certain people who refuse to address the issues and instead dance around arguments while saying basically nothing using long-winded & obscurantist verbiage.

Hopefully you're not going to be like them.

3kole5 wrote:

well this certainly took longer than expected

And from where I'm standing I see someone making feminist critiques and criticisms on video games while pointing out sexist tropes and mixing it in with dishonest criticisms in the midst of her actual criticism.

Next, I don't really understand how the links you posted pertain to the argument in question. I asked how people like Anita are censoring games. The links you posted are for the most part hypothetical. The only link here that's at the very least is loosely related to people like her is her UN talk. Also do you have any proof that she has pulled "blatantly fake claims, get her media buddies to do some smear pieces on people pointing out her claims" in the past?

Also I'm gonna be perfectly honest here, I don't believe Sargon is in the right place to criticize censorship when I can think of at least one situation where he himself is guilty of making a call for censorship with his petition to suspend social justice courses, especially with such a flimsy basis mainly built on anecdotal evidence of professors being radical and with a group like Gamergate which is mainly for free speech with vocal figures decrying "censorship" going on in various video games and online, it's surprising so many would sign up to suppress these ideas, especially considering that this is a country built upon freedom of expression.

As a closing note, may I ask whether this was a snide remark made towards me?

Of course the question is whether you’ll call all these sources “biased” and not bother trying to debunk them.

Time for another Tin Foil Hat

First off this gem form a year ago:

Where she talks about Gamergate being harassment of women and ignoring the idea of ethics in general.

I remembered a few things pertaining to Anita's "Censorship of Videogames." However, it appears Anita's focus is working on the extraction of "Toxic Masculinity" from all sorts of mass media, the main focus being anything digitally interactive. Generally: Videogames and The Internet with a focus on revisionist history. (Ordinary Women and talking about events that did not happen.)

Her entire tropes vs women videos are built on several fabrications and lack of research. One such example was a portion of one of her videos talking about being able to kill strippers in a hitman game as some expression of male fantasy. Further review showed that the footage she used was from a youtuber (valis77) with a registered criminal history, that happened to be a mod for Fem Freq livestream. However, in context a lot of men had to be killed to even get to the option to eliminate the strippers, which the game would penalize you for anyway. (Sources upon request, granted it's Ralph and LeoPirate because Neutral sources don't want to touch it and anyone Pro-Anita isn't going to mention it.)

Then there's that whole German thing.

A few months ago, Germany hired an ex-Stasi member to censor hate speech, and there were several arrests made after the instillation. Now they have a little book on what constitutes hate speech in general, (here's the link since the actual source is probably unbiased ) Page 12 highlights Gamergate as an offense that can be charged and its origins are credited to Anita.

Now this may be my tin foil hat talking but what I'm trying to say is, it's progressed. Originally, the goal was to stop videogames from making mysgonists (without any proof of it doing so) but now it's just morphed into removing anything that's suspected of anything remotely offensive.

She isn't here to take your games away, its proven to be ineffective. Now the narrative is here to take YOU away from society and profit from the angry lynch mob.

It's a double down, when the position gets dis-proven, a more outrageous claim is made to fuel it further. And because of the nature of the claim (attacks on women are bad, even if it didn't happen and it's percieved) all opposition is hushed or ignored. Funding to show women in videogames to the generation online harassment (that didn't? happen) to going to the UN with the falsified claims to getting Germany to remove all discussion of Gamergate.

Taking off Tin foil hat (the frequency on this thing is great!)

Anyway, News:

Looks like Twich-con has evolved

Man, the UK has a lot of double standards for their females in power.

Oh right: Gamergate got mentioned in USA Today

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Garde wrote:

Time for another Tin Foil Hat

First off this gem form a year ago:

Where she talks about Gamergate being harassment of women and ignoring the idea of ethics in general.

I remembered a few things pertaining to Anita's "Censorship of Videogames." However, it appears Anita's focus is working on the extraction of "Toxic Masculinity" from all sorts of mass media, the main focus being anything digitally interactive. Generally: Videogames and The Internet with a focus on revisionist history. (Ordinary Women and talking about events that did not happen.)

Her entire tropes vs women videos are built on several fabrications and lack of research. One such example was a portion of one of her videos talking about being able to kill strippers in a hitman game as some expression of male fantasy. Further review showed that the footage she used was from a youtuber (valis77) with a registered criminal history, that happened to be a mod for Fem Freq livestream. However, in context a lot of men had to be killed to even get to the option to eliminate the strippers, which the game would penalize you for anyway. (Sources upon request, granted it's Ralph and LeoPirate because Neutral sources don't want to touch it and anyone Pro-Anita isn't going to mention it.)

Then there's that whole German thing.

A few months ago, Germany hired an ex-Stasi member to censor hate speech, and there were several arrests made after the instillation. Now they have a little book on what constitutes hate speech in general, (here's the link since the actual source is probably unbiased ) Page 12 highlights Gamergate as an offense that can be charged and its origins are credited to Anita.

Now this may be my tin foil hat talking but what I'm trying to say is, it's progressed. Originally, the goal was to stop videogames from making mysgonists (without any proof of it doing so) but now it's just morphed into removing anything that's suspected of anything remotely offensive.

She isn't here to take your games away, its proven to be ineffective. Now the narrative is here to take YOU away from society and profit from the angry lynch mob.

It's a double down, when the position gets dis-proven, a more outrageous claim is made to fuel it further. And because of the nature of the claim (attacks on women are bad, even if it didn't happen and it's percieved) all opposition is hushed or ignored. Funding to show women in videogames to the generation online harassment (that didn't? happen) to going to the UN with the falsified claims to getting Germany to remove all discussion of Gamergate.

Taking off Tin foil hat (the frequency on this thing is great!)

Anyway, News:

Looks like Twich-con has evolved

Man, the UK has a lot of double standards for their females in power.

Oh right: Gamergate got mentioned in USA Today

*Dashcon, the convention with the memic ballpit was Dashcon.


And that MP, of course she's being being called the real victim of beating her husband by all the feminists infesting the Labour Party (there's Jess "why won't Sargon rape me?!!!, Big Red's big sister" Phillips).

The UK Labour party isn't coming back from this, it's entirely corrupted by SOCJUS. The choice is either some radical SJW who has little support from the MPs like Corbyn or some standard SJW who is popular with the MPs & upper-middle class Guardianistas and no one else.

Whoops sorry about that. Thanks for the ball-pit correction. ( sarcasm The flu is fun! sarcasm Get your injections while you can!)

Anyway now for some gaming news!

You're a mysogonistic racist gamergater if you don't like this game

But you're an objectifying sexist bigot if you like/pay money for this game

Also for kicks, this comic is now removed from the internet because the artist set off a group of people or was abelist

Last edited Sep 28, 2016 at 03:40PM EDT

Garde wrote:

Whoops sorry about that. Thanks for the ball-pit correction. ( sarcasm The flu is fun! sarcasm Get your injections while you can!)

Anyway now for some gaming news!

You're a mysogonistic racist gamergater if you don't like this game

But you're an objectifying sexist bigot if you like/pay money for this game

Also for kicks, this comic is now removed from the internet because the artist set off a group of people or was abelist

I used to really like that guy's comics, but after one he made about a month ago when FB and Twitter were kicking up their biased take-downs and now this… He still makes some good comics but he needs to open his eyes a bit.

Garde wrote:

Whoops sorry about that. Thanks for the ball-pit correction. ( sarcasm The flu is fun! sarcasm Get your injections while you can!)

Anyway now for some gaming news!

You're a mysogonistic racist gamergater if you don't like this game

But you're an objectifying sexist bigot if you like/pay money for this game

Also for kicks, this comic is now removed from the internet because the artist set off a group of people or was abelist

Also, one of the related archived articles in that Kotaku article called "How Video Game Breasts Are Made (And Why They Can Go Wrong)" was surprisingly good.
It wasn't the usual attack piece. It was an honest to goodness look into what actually goes into making the breasts on female game characters move right, and why so often it comes up short. They actually went into how the characters are created in the game and how the physics work.
Very surprising.

Garde wrote:

Whoops sorry about that. Thanks for the ball-pit correction. ( sarcasm The flu is fun! sarcasm Get your injections while you can!)

Anyway now for some gaming news!

You're a mysogonistic racist gamergater if you don't like this game

But you're an objectifying sexist bigot if you like/pay money for this game

Also for kicks, this comic is now removed from the internet because the artist set off a group of people or was abelist

So a "story-driven game" with no dialogue, minimal gameplay, art that would look bad on the N64, and is more on rails than Grand Central Station is called bad by gamers but drooled over by SJW game journos.

Meanwhile a game with punishingly hard difficulty, insanely tough puzzles, and requires you to git gud to reach room 11 is loved by gamers but hated by game journos because "boobs trigger me". I wonder if it's because they can't get past the first room without shooting a medkit and getting their ass kicked in by Martian hellspawn.

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Bookie wrote:

So a "story-driven game" with no dialogue, minimal gameplay, art that would look bad on the N64, and is more on rails than Grand Central Station is called bad by gamers but drooled over by SJW game journos.

Meanwhile a game with punishingly hard difficulty, insanely tough puzzles, and requires you to git gud to reach room 11 is loved by gamers but hated by game journos because "boobs trigger me". I wonder if it's because they can't get past the first room without shooting a medkit and getting their ass kicked in by Martian hellspawn.

Going to get downvoted for this but if your going to use budget for boob physics you do it right

Oh you've got to be kidding me. Another journalist group comes out playing video games like they've never handled a controller before? I sincerely hope this is a parody but apparently its not.

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Speaking of $arkeesian….

In her latest FemFreq video, she complains about "MUH SOGGY KNEES" in female villains.
https://tweetsave.com/femfreq/status/781127014216589312

Gabenus Trollucus wrote:

Speaking of $arkeesian….

In her latest FemFreq video, she complains about "MUH SOGGY KNEES" in female villains.
https://tweetsave.com/femfreq/status/781127014216589312

Look at that damage control from her fans, "Really surprising how a lot of the nasties in your mentions have like 12 followers, huh?".

"Muh follower numbers make me right", if there was any doubt that her supporters are just interested in virtue signaling for attention from the "kewl kids klub" that should tell you what their priorities are.

At least it's better then the white knight going "don't listen to the haters Anita keep up the amazing work", "you're what happens when douchebags get internet ohh sick burn", "your mom can do better than you, waiting for kids who aren't douchebags", "that's what your dad said while your mom was crying over how douchey her child was ohhhh", "like your moms waiting for a kid who's not a total disappointment", "nah I'm tired, gnite".

robepriority wrote:

Going to get downvoted for this but if your going to use budget for boob physics you do it right

I just mentioned this two comments ago. The "soft-body physics division" in game development doesn't usually get high priority and is usually very taxing on game engines, so we usually wind up with something that's a near approximation or "Dead or Alive Extreme." Even if the tech gets better, the time still has to be put into it. And as mentioned in the article, research is… difficult for a variety of reasons.

It's just something that we'll have to deal with.

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…does anybody care about this anymore aside from corporate PR people?

Ah well, I'll bite:

Y'know whats really killing video games?

It's not the SJWs, it's not feminism, it's not MRAs, it's not sexism.

The game industry sucks for the same reason that everything else sucks: the current capitalist economic system.

But instead of realizing that, we decided to elect a pair of washed-up right-wing hacks as the faces of the movement, then praise every single plattitude that came out of their mouths.

Honestly, I'm embarassed to have even been a part of this movement. It's mostly been petty nerd fights, and any real victory we've had has been outpaced by something else. (The Hulk Hogan lawsuit decimated gawker more than we ever did…and that was a calculated act of petty revenge by a Silicon Valley Sociopath who thinks that "freedom and democracy are incompatible". Nick Denton sucks, but Peter Thiel is worse.)

Besides, identitarianism is bullshit anyway. Toodles!

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…does anybody care about this anymore aside from corporate PR people?

Ah well, I'll bite:

Y'know whats really killing video games?

It's not the SJWs, it's not feminism, it's not MRAs, it's not sexism.

The game industry sucks for the same reason that everything else sucks: the current capitalist economic system.

But instead of realizing that, we decided to elect a pair of washed-up right-wing hacks as the faces of the movement, then praise every single plattitude that came out of their mouths.

Honestly, I'm embarassed to have even been a part of this movement. It's mostly been petty nerd fights, and any real victory we've had has been outpaced by something else. (The Hulk Hogan lawsuit decimated gawker more than we ever did…and that was a calculated act of petty revenge by a Silicon Valley Sociopath who thinks that "freedom and democracy are incompatible". Nick Denton sucks, but Peter Thiel is worse.)

Besides, identitarianism is bullshit anyway. Toodles!

Looks up So that was a double post. Back to news

So someone did a peer review and found the results of the original to be bogus

Southpark was invited to GaymerX, people got uncomfortable

Treehouse keeps on treehousing (and KYM got a Kudos!):

For the followup: Digital Homicide commits Digital Suicide

Also for laughs: Buzzfeed investigates 4chan for proof of coded racism

I can't tell if this last one is serious or just echochamber BS. Note all the usages on the ADL checklist. The World Leader Pepes, echo… It feels baity. Which MSM will take hook line and sinker.

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MuttonDew wrote:

…does anybody care about this anymore aside from corporate PR people?

Ah well, I'll bite:

Y'know whats really killing video games?

It's not the SJWs, it's not feminism, it's not MRAs, it's not sexism.

The game industry sucks for the same reason that everything else sucks: the current capitalist economic system.

But instead of realizing that, we decided to elect a pair of washed-up right-wing hacks as the faces of the movement, then praise every single plattitude that came out of their mouths.

Honestly, I'm embarassed to have even been a part of this movement. It's mostly been petty nerd fights, and any real victory we've had has been outpaced by something else. (The Hulk Hogan lawsuit decimated gawker more than we ever did…and that was a calculated act of petty revenge by a Silicon Valley Sociopath who thinks that "freedom and democracy are incompatible". Nick Denton sucks, but Peter Thiel is worse.)

Besides, identitarianism is bullshit anyway. Toodles!

> …does anybody care about this anymore aside from corporate PR people?

Anyone who wants to know where gaming or journalism or politics is going?

You know, unless the goal is signal how above it all you are™.

> Ah well, I’ll bite:

> Y’know whats really killing video games?

> It’s not the SJWs, it’s not feminism, it’s not MRAs, it’s not sexism.

> The game industry sucks for the same reason that everything else sucks: the current capitalist economic system.

No, SJWs are doing a pretty decent job of fucking up our games.

The current economic system is just one more thing on the pile (inB4 "those sources are unreliable because they disagree with my political opinion!").

> But instead of realizing that, we decided to elect a pair of washed-up right-wing hacks as the faces of the movement, then praise every single plattitude that came out of their mouths.

We talk about free speech, ethical behavior, and making the world place, and then follow through.

If you actually gave a damn about "ending the current capitalist economic system" you'd be using those new FTC regulations we got passed to hammer the MSM every time they broke them.

Yeah, yeah, it's not going to bring the revolution, but it will fuck up the ability of those outlets to keep spreading their propaganda.

> Honestly, I’m embarassed to have even been a part of this movement.

You and every other person who decided that doctrinal purity & tribal signaling outweighs "get shit down" as a priority.

> It’s mostly been petty nerd fights, and any real victory we’ve had has been outpaced by something else.

Yeah, yeah, those new FTC regulations, the 1000s page investigation, spreading our values to the mainstream, all non-victories since you decided that GamerGate is embarrassing & unimportant.

This why you will fail,

> The Hulk Hogan lawsuit decimated gawker more than we ever did…and that was a calculated act of petty revenge by a Silicon Valley Sociopath who thinks that “freedom and democracy are incompatible”. Nick Denton sucks, but Peter Thiel is worse.

Nick Denton got off on ruining lives & dreamed of a world where no one had any privacy, even the NSA wasn't willing to go that far.

Pro-Tip: When your political enemy is doing the right thing don't attack them for it_, when Hitler builds an orphanage & passes laws against animal abuseGermany then don't go out kicking puppies to make some stupid point.

Praise Hitler for saving that kitten from a tree and then hammer him when he starts talking about gassing the Jews or invading Russia during the winter.

Because otherwise you're going to ruin your credibility for when it matters.

> Besides, identitarianism is bullshit anyway. Toodles!

"Muh trendy /leftypol/ buzzwords will make me succeed!"

Yeah no, your focus on attacking successful people instead of making success for yourself will condemn you to the same failures as /pol/.

> [everyone I disagree with is a puppet!.jpg]

That arrogance will be your downfall, remember that for the future.


@Garde

I love science! And not in the "fake geek hipster" way, in the "uncovering the truth & driving back falsehood is the greatest achievement of humanity" way.

And SJWs get triggered by South Park, I feel a song coming on!

P.S. If Digital Suicide manages to drag Jim Sterling into court I can't wait to see what gets dragged out, I want to see him try to weasel his way out of saying that calling Anita stupid is evil internet harassment and then justify his criticism of the Romine bros. Sure, they can't win but they don't seem to know that & discovery is all kinds of fun.

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Bookie wrote:

> …does anybody care about this anymore aside from corporate PR people?

Anyone who wants to know where gaming or journalism or politics is going?

You know, unless the goal is signal how above it all you are™.

> Ah well, I’ll bite:

> Y’know whats really killing video games?

> It’s not the SJWs, it’s not feminism, it’s not MRAs, it’s not sexism.

> The game industry sucks for the same reason that everything else sucks: the current capitalist economic system.

No, SJWs are doing a pretty decent job of fucking up our games.

The current economic system is just one more thing on the pile (inB4 "those sources are unreliable because they disagree with my political opinion!").

> But instead of realizing that, we decided to elect a pair of washed-up right-wing hacks as the faces of the movement, then praise every single plattitude that came out of their mouths.

We talk about free speech, ethical behavior, and making the world place, and then follow through.

If you actually gave a damn about "ending the current capitalist economic system" you'd be using those new FTC regulations we got passed to hammer the MSM every time they broke them.

Yeah, yeah, it's not going to bring the revolution, but it will fuck up the ability of those outlets to keep spreading their propaganda.

> Honestly, I’m embarassed to have even been a part of this movement.

You and every other person who decided that doctrinal purity & tribal signaling outweighs "get shit down" as a priority.

> It’s mostly been petty nerd fights, and any real victory we’ve had has been outpaced by something else.

Yeah, yeah, those new FTC regulations, the 1000s page investigation, spreading our values to the mainstream, all non-victories since you decided that GamerGate is embarrassing & unimportant.

This why you will fail,

> The Hulk Hogan lawsuit decimated gawker more than we ever did…and that was a calculated act of petty revenge by a Silicon Valley Sociopath who thinks that “freedom and democracy are incompatible”. Nick Denton sucks, but Peter Thiel is worse.

Nick Denton got off on ruining lives & dreamed of a world where no one had any privacy, even the NSA wasn't willing to go that far.

Pro-Tip: When your political enemy is doing the right thing don't attack them for it_, when Hitler builds an orphanage & passes laws against animal abuseGermany then don't go out kicking puppies to make some stupid point.

Praise Hitler for saving that kitten from a tree and then hammer him when he starts talking about gassing the Jews or invading Russia during the winter.

Because otherwise you're going to ruin your credibility for when it matters.

> Besides, identitarianism is bullshit anyway. Toodles!

"Muh trendy /leftypol/ buzzwords will make me succeed!"

Yeah no, your focus on attacking successful people instead of making success for yourself will condemn you to the same failures as /pol/.

> [everyone I disagree with is a puppet!.jpg]

That arrogance will be your downfall, remember that for the future.


@Garde

I love science! And not in the "fake geek hipster" way, in the "uncovering the truth & driving back falsehood is the greatest achievement of humanity" way.

And SJWs get triggered by South Park, I feel a song coming on!

P.S. If Digital Suicide manages to drag Jim Sterling into court I can't wait to see what gets dragged out, I want to see him try to weasel his way out of saying that calling Anita stupid is evil internet harassment and then justify his criticism of the Romine bros. Sure, they can't win but they don't seem to know that & discovery is all kinds of fun.

Jeebus, you're giving Reality a run for his money.

As for news? Unh… tinfoil hats again:

An app for the phone that allows people to talk "anonymously" has an AI learning about hate speech and does mass reporting. The Candid App is made by ex and current Google Employees. However ShoeOnHead, Mundane Matt and Amazing Atheist did promotional videos for this. Being anonymous on a chat app has it's benefits, but the AI is a little worrisome.

Now some of these promoters appear not to know the full extent of what they advertised for and/or are being paid. But Candid appears to be kind of shady when it comes to stating what their AI actually does. (So far appears to be the Mass Flagging portion of Youtube Heroes but on a 24 hour non human scale.) If this app is used for building up a Super Censor AI it could be an issue for anyone in the future that says a problematic thing.

Safe spaces: Graduating college, Heading for the Internet

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Bookie wrote:

> …does anybody care about this anymore aside from corporate PR people?

Anyone who wants to know where gaming or journalism or politics is going?

You know, unless the goal is signal how above it all you are™.

> Ah well, I’ll bite:

> Y’know whats really killing video games?

> It’s not the SJWs, it’s not feminism, it’s not MRAs, it’s not sexism.

> The game industry sucks for the same reason that everything else sucks: the current capitalist economic system.

No, SJWs are doing a pretty decent job of fucking up our games.

The current economic system is just one more thing on the pile (inB4 "those sources are unreliable because they disagree with my political opinion!").

> But instead of realizing that, we decided to elect a pair of washed-up right-wing hacks as the faces of the movement, then praise every single plattitude that came out of their mouths.

We talk about free speech, ethical behavior, and making the world place, and then follow through.

If you actually gave a damn about "ending the current capitalist economic system" you'd be using those new FTC regulations we got passed to hammer the MSM every time they broke them.

Yeah, yeah, it's not going to bring the revolution, but it will fuck up the ability of those outlets to keep spreading their propaganda.

> Honestly, I’m embarassed to have even been a part of this movement.

You and every other person who decided that doctrinal purity & tribal signaling outweighs "get shit down" as a priority.

> It’s mostly been petty nerd fights, and any real victory we’ve had has been outpaced by something else.

Yeah, yeah, those new FTC regulations, the 1000s page investigation, spreading our values to the mainstream, all non-victories since you decided that GamerGate is embarrassing & unimportant.

This why you will fail,

> The Hulk Hogan lawsuit decimated gawker more than we ever did…and that was a calculated act of petty revenge by a Silicon Valley Sociopath who thinks that “freedom and democracy are incompatible”. Nick Denton sucks, but Peter Thiel is worse.

Nick Denton got off on ruining lives & dreamed of a world where no one had any privacy, even the NSA wasn't willing to go that far.

Pro-Tip: When your political enemy is doing the right thing don't attack them for it_, when Hitler builds an orphanage & passes laws against animal abuseGermany then don't go out kicking puppies to make some stupid point.

Praise Hitler for saving that kitten from a tree and then hammer him when he starts talking about gassing the Jews or invading Russia during the winter.

Because otherwise you're going to ruin your credibility for when it matters.

> Besides, identitarianism is bullshit anyway. Toodles!

"Muh trendy /leftypol/ buzzwords will make me succeed!"

Yeah no, your focus on attacking successful people instead of making success for yourself will condemn you to the same failures as /pol/.

> [everyone I disagree with is a puppet!.jpg]

That arrogance will be your downfall, remember that for the future.


@Garde

I love science! And not in the "fake geek hipster" way, in the "uncovering the truth & driving back falsehood is the greatest achievement of humanity" way.

And SJWs get triggered by South Park, I feel a song coming on!

P.S. If Digital Suicide manages to drag Jim Sterling into court I can't wait to see what gets dragged out, I want to see him try to weasel his way out of saying that calling Anita stupid is evil internet harassment and then justify his criticism of the Romine bros. Sure, they can't win but they don't seem to know that & discovery is all kinds of fun.

The SJWs ruining gaming are a result of capitalism, not the other way around.

The new FTC regulations aren't doing shit.

>spreading our values to the mainstream

Our "values"? Don't make me laugh. The mainstream media did nothing but praise bourgeoisie liberals like Sarkeesian and MacIntosh, and what little positive notice we did get were from alt-right bandwagoners.

I see the bigger picture: the system is failing, and fascism is on the rise. As I see it, GamerGate and the SJWs are in parasitical co-dependence: one must exist so that the other can have something to complain about.

Peter Thiel and Nick Denton are both the same in my eyes. One's a sleazeball who hurts people for profit, the other thinks that democracy and freedom are mutually exclusive and is working on an app that will destroy the justice system forever.

You want ethical game journalism? You "just want to play video games?"

Seize the means of production.
Democratize the workplace, end wage slavery, create Fully Automated Luxury Communism…and then, we'll have decent game journalism. It's not the problem, it's a minor symptom of a much bigger problem.

Capitalism is a cancer, and revolution is the chemo. GamerGate is just a placebo.

Garde wrote:

Jeebus, you're giving Reality a run for his money.

As for news? Unh… tinfoil hats again:

An app for the phone that allows people to talk "anonymously" has an AI learning about hate speech and does mass reporting. The Candid App is made by ex and current Google Employees. However ShoeOnHead, Mundane Matt and Amazing Atheist did promotional videos for this. Being anonymous on a chat app has it's benefits, but the AI is a little worrisome.

Now some of these promoters appear not to know the full extent of what they advertised for and/or are being paid. But Candid appears to be kind of shady when it comes to stating what their AI actually does. (So far appears to be the Mass Flagging portion of Youtube Heroes but on a 24 hour non human scale.) If this app is used for building up a Super Censor AI it could be an issue for anyone in the future that says a problematic thing.

Safe spaces: Graduating college, Heading for the Internet

Harmful Opinions has been stomping on Candid for a while.


@MuttonDew

> The SJWs ruining gaming are a result of capitalism, not the other way around.

>implying that all problems are caused by one enemy

No, there's a lot of different groups making the world a worse place in their own little ways. They can be bigger or smaller threats, they can work together to be worse then either could be alone, they can have a lot of similarities, but there is no final boss that takes all the rest with it when it goes down.

Do you think Occupy Wall Street would have been put down anywhere near as quickly & as easily as was if SOCJUS hadn't spent decades hollowing out the left.

> The new FTC regulations aren’t doing shit.

We've gotten some sites to back down in the face of reporting them, why aren't you doing the same?

Armchair revolutionaries are never going to be a threat to the status quo.

> Our “values”? Don’t make me laugh. The mainstream media did nothing but praise bourgeoisie liberals like Sarkeesian and MacIntosh, and what little positive notice we did get were from alt-right bandwagoners.

Are you seriously confusing "mainstream" & "mainstream media"? The MSM has never been particularity close to mainstream but over the past decade or two there's been a near complete divergence.

Have you noticed a backlash to SJWs? A rising support of free speech? "Politics as usual" suddenly being no so usual?

> I see the bigger picture: the system is failing, and fascism is on the rise. As I see it, GamerGate and the SJWs are in parasitical co-dependence: one must exist so that the other can have something to complain about.

You see very little if you think we just complain.

> Peter Thiel and Nick Denton are both the same in my eyes. One’s a sleazeball who hurts people for profit, the other thinks that democracy and freedom are mutually exclusive and is working on an app that will destroy the justice system forever.

Which app is that? If you're talking about that app that can automate his strategy so everyone can use it I fail to see the problem unless you're the kind of person who can hire the super-lawyers currently needed to figure it out.

> You want ethical game journalism? You “just want to play video games?”
> Seize the means of production.
> Democratize the workplace, end wage slavery, create Fully Automated Luxury Communism…and then, we’ll have decent game journalism. It’s not the problem, it’s a minor symptom of a much bigger problem.

So what's your plan? High-sounding rhetoric is nice and all, but if you want to change the world you need a plan to do so.

Already we have a large number of people working on their own games, we also have people taking an active interest in useful careers & paying attention to what bullshit the media is up to right now.

> Capitalism is a cancer, and revolution is the chemo. GamerGate is just a placebo.

Nice slogan, again though what is your plan?

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@MuttonDew

> The SJWs ruining gaming are a result of capitalism, not the other way around.

>implying that all problems are caused by one enemy

No, there's a lot of different groups making the world a worse place in their own little ways. They can be bigger or smaller threats, they can work together to be worse then either could be alone, they can have a lot of similarities, but there is no final boss that takes all the rest with it when it goes down.

Do you think Occupy Wall Street would have been put down anywhere near as quickly & as easily as was if SOCJUS hadn't spent decades hollowing out the left.

> The new FTC regulations aren’t doing shit.

We've gotten some sites to back down in the face of reporting them, why aren't you doing the same?

Armchair revolutionaries are never going to be a threat to the status quo.

> Our “values”? Don’t make me laugh. The mainstream media did nothing but praise bourgeoisie liberals like Sarkeesian and MacIntosh, and what little positive notice we did get were from alt-right bandwagoners.

Are you seriously confusing "mainstream" & "mainstream media"? The MSM has never been particularity close to mainstream but over the past decade or two there's been a near complete divergence.

Have you noticed a backlash to SJWs? A rising support of free speech? "Politics as usual" suddenly being no so usual?

> I see the bigger picture: the system is failing, and fascism is on the rise. As I see it, GamerGate and the SJWs are in parasitical co-dependence: one must exist so that the other can have something to complain about.

You see very little if you think we just complain.

> Peter Thiel and Nick Denton are both the same in my eyes. One’s a sleazeball who hurts people for profit, the other thinks that democracy and freedom are mutually exclusive and is working on an app that will destroy the justice system forever.

Which app is that? If you're talking about that app that can automate his strategy so everyone can use it I fail to see the problem unless you're the kind of person who can hire the super-lawyers currently needed to figure it out.

> You want ethical game journalism? You “just want to play video games?”
> Seize the means of production.
> Democratize the workplace, end wage slavery, create Fully Automated Luxury Communism…and then, we’ll have decent game journalism. It’s not the problem, it’s a minor symptom of a much bigger problem.

So what's your plan? High-sounding rhetoric is nice and all, but if you want to change the world you need a plan to do so.

Already we have a large number of people working on their own games, we also have people taking an active interest in useful careers & paying attention to what bullshit the media is up to right now.

> Capitalism is a cancer, and revolution is the chemo. GamerGate is just a placebo.

Nice slogan, again though what is your plan?

More important question:

What is your plan?

GamerGate never had any plan. There was no endgame. We were all just screaming into the void, counting points and making memes.

Does your plan involve the preservation of the status quo, where millions toil in the service of a few? If so, scrap it and start again.

Capitalism is not "one enemy". It's a million different enemies. The alt-right is one face of capitalism, corporate "social justice" is another face.

Bottom line: look at the big picture. Away from sideshows like these. That's all I can say, the rest is up to you.

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I think what Bookie meant what what do you, MuttonDew, propose as an answer to this problem that you see. Saying "View the big picture" and stating that Gamergate and SJW's are a culture war seeking to benefit those that have to profit from both sides without any proof is kinda… well…

Just an unfounded idea.

Countering with the same question doesn't answer the information necessary.

As to answer your question for Gamergate's "Plan?"

It's been there from the start: Ethics in Gaming Journalism.

Seriously, when ever there's a pushed narrative, whenever there's a crappy game with 90% reviews, when a developer doesn't deliver to the promised hype that generated the cash in the first place. You can bet the supporters of gamergate will be there to hold those that were involved accountable.

That Gawker thing? The one that had Hulk Hogan finish off the company so it could evolve into it's newest mess of Gizmodo? It (The company and CEO Nick Denton) attributed and blamed the start of it's problems with Gamergate.
Gamergate cares about Gaming, and does its best to clear the scandal for the benefit of the consumer.

Univision, the new parent company of what remains of Gawker, is now getting emailed on all fronts about their inherited journalists publishing falsities and other breaches in their code of behavior. Gamergate is doing exactly what it set out for on day one of it's inception: Root out Corruption in Gaming Journalism. Everything else, such as the fallout of not applying ethics and therefore becoming bankrupt morally and financially for those opposed to Gamergate as a result? Is a bonus.

Other bonuses include:

-Finding out Twitter's Trust and Safety council is full of registered offenders and an Anti-harassment company that is totally a harassment company.

-Getting refunds for games and gaming related journalistic documentation that didn't deliver and still has yet to.

-Giving money to charities that were left to dry by those making false claims in order to benefit from the hype.

-Finding out that Wikipedia does not keep a "neutral" stance on events and can be edited if you pay off/convince the right people.

-Shattering the narrative that there are Victims of Gamergate. The reality being that these Con-artists are exposed for taking donations by posing as Victims.

-Oh and getting a Laugh out Loud specialof LAW and ORDER: SVU

So, I'm sorry that this method of Ethical Implementation isn't palpable to your revolutionary tongue. It's not the Revolution of 1905. It's the Muckraking of 1906 in a different form.

As for why the Gamergate Supporters don't unionize and rise up? They're individuals. Gamergate has thrived with no leaders and no rallying event to focus the majority of followers (it's world wide, not just American). It's just a hashtag to form under and in the 2+ years of all that's been found have left us very wary of charlatans that seek to control (the internet, the public, the issue at hand). We just want to play good videogames. No narrative of external factors that are ham-fisted in or DLC that has to be unlocked even though it was supposed to be included in the original release, but didn't to double the profits.

As for The Gamergate Big Picture? Sending the message that the public won't stand for the media making lies to pass as truth through the methods supplied. [I.E. Emailing parent companies about clear breaches of contract]

TL;DR: Gamergate just really wants to play games that are fun, preferably without any intended BS.

Anyway news:
Scott Adams is facing the wrath of Twitter.

Usually getting in a fight with someone that does humor for a living is a bad idea.

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MuttonDew said:

Seize the means of production.
Democratize the workplace, end wage slavery, create Fully Automated Luxury Communism…

Ah, Utopian Communism. Where everyone pulls their weight, does their fair share, and gets a slice of the pie. Just as great sounding as Utopian Capitalism, where corporations are eternally held in check by the consumer, only do the most efficient and pragmatic thing, and plan far in advance to always ensure their consumers desires are met. And just as fantastical.

This is all rather off-topic, so slightly more on-topic: The Gawker.com domain name, along with all of its articles, will be sold at a federal bankruptcy auction at some undisclosed time in the future to help pay creditors.

@Muttondew
"The mainstream media did nothing but praise bourgeoisie liberals like Sarkeesian and MacIntosh"
Yeah and look at how high trust in the mainstream media is right now… <40% is a good number right?

"I see the bigger picture: the system is failing, and fascism is on the rise. As I see it, GamerGate and the SJWs are in parasitical co-dependence: one must exist so that the other can have something to complain about."

Yeah… you know the term parasitical co-dependence… parasitical means the host is harmed but the parasite is rewarded. So the system you describe is mutual-ism since both gain from the transaction. In addition you lack self-awareness since you are complaining about fascism which in turn is complaining about reactionaries like you. Whoops?

Last but not least, SJWs don't need gamergate to complain about things since they've blamed gamergate on things gamergate has nothing to do with and in fact are more than happy to just calling regular people and things sexist as opposed to dealing with gamergate. Really all you've observed are corrupt journalists realizing gamergate is a hot subject and therefore put the term gamergate (aka gamedropping) into as many article as possible to get clicks. You also haven't managed to describe how the mutualist relation works considering that gamergate is not doing anything that would breed SJWs and neither are the SJWs intentionally trying to make people gamergate members so they can complain about it.

"There was no endgame"
Uh clean up corrupt journalists? You know that thing we were doing from the beginning?

"I’m embarassed to have even been a part of this movement"
Uh huh really. Funny how everyone who's pretentiously anti-GG seems to say that. Got any proof? Your activity history shows that you've spent more time talking about american politics than games. And of your two year history you've only made 2 comments on the gamergate page. Hmmm… it's almost as if you were never a member considering people like me made accounts specifically to be involved with the gamergate page and discussion.

"Does your plan involve the preservation of the status quo"
Uh by definition no. There is nothing status quo about removing corruption. In fact, you have no business asking Bookie to define his action plan because he doesn't need to advocate an action plan because he's not asking an entire movement to change its behaviour by doing things that don't make sense and are contradictory to each other.

"Capitalism is not “one enemy”. It’s a million different enemies."
Citation needed

"The alt-right is one face of capitalism, corporate “social justice” is another face."
Citation needed But seriously… alt-right? You do realize that term alt-right has no real definition. In fact it has no definition and many experts flat out say it has none.

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/c59982f8b8b74375924dc53b1da835f7/clinton-sees-trump-ties-alt-right-dystopian-ideology
"There's no one way to define its ideology"

So the concept that Alt-right equals capitalism is hilarious.

"look at the big picture"
Says the guy not looking at all.

"Democratize the workplace, end wage slavery, create Fully Automated Luxury Communism"
Sigh okay. Where to begin. Democracy is the system in which all the members in the organization/nation may vote to choose their representatives. A democratized workplace would be a workplace where the managers and CEOs are elected based upon individuals votes. This system technically already exists in some workplaces since all Employees own stocks/shares in the company and can therefore band together and eject the CEO. Electronic Arts has this system. Electronic arts is one of the worst places you could be working at.

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:6DnL-bHEj1YJ:159.153.199.65/why/topic.aspx%3Fid%3D1&num=1&hl=en&gl=ca&strip=1&vwsrc=0
"EA believes that all employees should own a piece of the company and share in its success"
http://careers.ea.com/ca/benefits
"EA offers great salaries, annual bonus awards and stock programs"

Likewise wage slavery applies to literally everyone and not just programmers and in fact programmers aren't really having trouble with wage slavery, they're actually having trouble with stable employment.

Last but not least a democratic workplace and a fully automated luxury communism cannot exist together. Automation is the poison to democracy. Likewise its hard for communism to be luxurious given its long standing problem with the economy. And finally democracy and communism are distinct systems. But hey if we enact communism and bankrupt the games industry then corrupt journalists will be the least of gamer's problems.

Also I thought you said toodles?
"Besides, identitarianism is bullshit anyway. Toodles!"

But I guess you meant toodles as in "I'm gonna come back with my broken dictionary and practice my non-existent political education again"

@Mutton Dew

You say you want a revolution
Well, you know
We all want to change the world
You tell me that it's evolution
Well, you know
We all want to change the world

But when you talk about destruction
Don't you know that you can count me out

Don't you know it's gonna be alright
Alright, alright

You say you got a real solution
Well, you know
We'd all love to see the plan
You ask me for a contribution
Well, you know
We're all doing what we can

But if you want money for people with minds that hate
All I can tell you is brother you have to wait

Don't you know it's gonna be alright
Alright, alright, al…

You say you'll change the constitution
Well, you know
We all want to change your head
You tell me it's the institution
Well, you know
You'd better free your mind instead

But if you go carrying pictures of Chairman Mao
You ain't going to make it with anyone anyhow

Don't you know know it's gonna be alright
Alright, alright

Alright, alright
Alright, alright
Alright, alright
Alright, alright

@MuttonDew

Honestly I don't want to be a rude asshole, but you have gone full retard.
Capitalism works, it is the only system that works because it encourages individual growth and effort. Without capitalism there would be no gaming industry because no one would feel motivated or free to create something goo. Just in case you don't know many SJWs are against capitalism.

Ask any survivor of a former communist country and they will tell you how awful that was. Communism is wrong, unnatural, and dangerous. It looks pretty on paper because it offers prosperity no matter how mediocre you are, but in real life it is not a shared prosperity but a shared misery.

@MuttonDew

Honestly I don't want to be a rude asshole, but you have gone full retard.
Capitalism works, it is the only system that works because it encourages individual growth and effort. Without capitalism there would be no gaming industry because no one would feel motivated or free to create something goo. Just in case you don't know many SJWs are against capitalism.

Ask any survivor of a former communist country and they will tell you how awful that was. Communism is wrong, unnatural, and dangerous. It looks pretty on paper because it offers prosperity no matter how mediocre you are, but in real life it is not a shared prosperity but a shared misery.

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I think what Bookie meant what what do you, MuttonDew, propose as an answer to this problem that you see. Saying "View the big picture" and stating that Gamergate and SJW's are a culture war seeking to benefit those that have to profit from both sides without any proof is kinda… well…

Just an unfounded idea.

Countering with the same question doesn't answer the information necessary.

As to answer your question for Gamergate's "Plan?"

It's been there from the start: Ethics in Gaming Journalism.

Seriously, when ever there's a pushed narrative, whenever there's a crappy game with 90% reviews, when a developer doesn't deliver to the promised hype that generated the cash in the first place. You can bet the supporters of gamergate will be there to hold those that were involved accountable.

That Gawker thing? The one that had Hulk Hogan finish off the company so it could evolve into it's newest mess of Gizmodo? It (The company and CEO Nick Denton) attributed and blamed the start of it's problems with Gamergate.
Gamergate cares about Gaming, and does its best to clear the scandal for the benefit of the consumer.

Univision, the new parent company of what remains of Gawker, is now getting emailed on all fronts about their inherited journalists publishing falsities and other breaches in their code of behavior. Gamergate is doing exactly what it set out for on day one of it's inception: Root out Corruption in Gaming Journalism. Everything else, such as the fallout of not applying ethics and therefore becoming bankrupt morally and financially for those opposed to Gamergate as a result? Is a bonus.

Other bonuses include:

-Finding out Twitter's Trust and Safety council is full of registered offenders and an Anti-harassment company that is totally a harassment company.

-Getting refunds for games and gaming related journalistic documentation that didn't deliver and still has yet to.

-Giving money to charities that were left to dry by those making false claims in order to benefit from the hype.

-Finding out that Wikipedia does not keep a "neutral" stance on events and can be edited if you pay off/convince the right people.

-Shattering the narrative that there are Victims of Gamergate. The reality being that these Con-artists are exposed for taking donations by posing as Victims.

-Oh and getting a Laugh out Loud specialof LAW and ORDER: SVU

So, I'm sorry that this method of Ethical Implementation isn't palpable to your revolutionary tongue. It's not the Revolution of 1905. It's the Muckraking of 1906 in a different form.

As for why the Gamergate Supporters don't unionize and rise up? They're individuals. Gamergate has thrived with no leaders and no rallying event to focus the majority of followers (it's world wide, not just American). It's just a hashtag to form under and in the 2+ years of all that's been found have left us very wary of charlatans that seek to control (the internet, the public, the issue at hand). We just want to play good videogames. No narrative of external factors that are ham-fisted in or DLC that has to be unlocked even though it was supposed to be included in the original release, but didn't to double the profits.

As for The Gamergate Big Picture? Sending the message that the public won't stand for the media making lies to pass as truth through the methods supplied. [I.E. Emailing parent companies about clear breaches of contract]

TL;DR: Gamergate just really wants to play games that are fun, preferably without any intended BS.

Anyway news:
Scott Adams is facing the wrath of Twitter.

Usually getting in a fight with someone that does humor for a living is a bad idea.

It's not unfounded. It's happened before – what do you think presidential elections are about?

"We just want to play games that are fun"

That's a vague statement. Anyway, the problems with the modern game industry (endless sequels, DLC and other revenue enhancers, games not being finished, publishers treating developers like shit, and publishers trying to be "edgy" and "progressive") are because of capitalism, not in spite of it.

The capitalist commodification of social justice is what I'm against, and what a movement like GamerGate should be against. Instead, we listened to Milo and CHS. (I never liked them, especially after I found out that CHS had ties to Bush administration figures)

"emailing parent companies"

>trusting the capitalist system to fix the capitalist system.

Not gonna happen.

The mainstream media won't be fixed by asking nicely.

My big picture: democratize the workplace. Eliminate the profit system. Take higher technology out of the hands of Silicon Valley Sociopaths and use them to improve and automate the world.

The ruling classes of the 16th century thought democracy and universal suffrage was unreasonable and utopian. And, as we all know, they were wrong.

Also, Scott Adams is a fucking whiner.

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