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A channer is a channer, wherever on the internet it is or whatever cause it follows. It's the nature of the beast. I will ask, though, have you seen how threads like this get treated? Either indifference or hostility to match hostility.

On KIA… ugh, that's how Reddit is at times, unfortunately, and not just in that one sub. They don't get that much attention, these aggro threads. In general, though, if you're civil and approach things in good faith, you'll get decent responses in return.

You see though by your logic this is the most important group of GG as they are the loudest. You say the extremist aGGROS are the most important and represenatative because they're loud, why shouldn't we apply that to GG, of course thats because that doesn't represent it but thats your logic so I will abide by this logic you have given me.

Have you seen a lot of Hroms posts? The guy can't seem to go long without calling for a sjw death or pre-mortum cremation.

You guys do the same thing though. You guys do it with this very site, whenever you call the mods sjw's for not letting you guys spam the comments. Or with people like Angry Joe who had an entire operation launched to get him arrested on tax violations because he didn't agree with all of the channers in gamergate.

There's a willful ignorance is screen-capping tweets or forum posts to use to show and laugh at how evil folks are who don't support gamergate fully and openly, and then balking when someone doesn't agree with GG and going out to try and ruin their life in whatever way they can, or to silence them from being able to further express their opinion.

I would like an example of this "blocklist and siege for minor infractions and questioning" before we proceed further, please. Multiple, if you can find them, with articles if possible. We'll do this the same way we did it in the other thread.

As for Hrom, and those like him… have you seen how the rest of us react to them? When they throw fits, we call them on it.

What? How does my logic work that way? I said nothing about volume or loud minorities (though yes, they do exist in both groups).

I don't really understand what your point is here. Are you saying that he says this one thing, but some other people in the (very loose) group he's a part say something contradictory, and therefore he's a hypocrite. I hope you'd understand why that makes absolutely no logical sense.
Also, I think if you asked most "moderate" GGers (at least, this is how I see it), they'd tell you the difference is that they make active efforts to point/call out the extremism among them (I remember that going on in response to the things mentioned by Black Graphic T), while those on the other end barely do that at all.

Which I em always thankful for

I speak for my self, not the whole movement

Oh yes and we've seen Hrom act on these threats and stuff (oh wait we haven't). And you know people didn't actually downvote him or anything. This why I don't believe these accusations, they involve taking evidence, ignoring both the details and the whole and then concluding they support a conclusion that evidence itself doesn't even support.

How many people do you think actually agree with Hrom? You don't see alot, and quite frankly if you are so worried about Hrom, why don't you report him? Oh wait I don't see anyone doing that either.

Oh yes gamergate definitely doesn't criticize itself or show self-awareness. They just put those in the meta threads where they discuss what they've done wrong and how they can improve.

https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/3b0xn2/meta_remember_do_research_before_claiming_things/
https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/382×0j/meta_this_is_how_we_get_our_shit_together/
https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/35k9wf/meta_gamergate_is_not_about_you_gamergate_is/
https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/383yy1/kia_rules_and_mods_criticism_and_debate_megathread/
https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/3d30ml/meta_please_dont_make_iwatas_death_about/
https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/3dtgcz/meta_hi_new_here_why_does_a_vocal_portion_of/

What did I say about ignoring the whole because of a detail being immature…? Because it's not only illogical but it also says a lot about your biases and makes me ask a good question "why should I apologize for actions I've never done and aren't connected to me (especially when you've still provided no evidence at best and an attempt to claim freespeech equals evil at worst; saying threads exist when you haven't said why that matters…)? No movement in the history of the Earth has to apologize for its weakest members. You seem to be confusing leaderless with lacking of morals".

Care to provide evidence that the guys on 8chan are the loudest? Because they're not… you do realize the burden of proof is on the accuser right? You are pretty much shitposting at this point. This isn't even a discussion, its just you and the other guy throwing accusations at everyone else and being extremely rude at the same time. You wouldn't take it if we called you a psychopath because other people with the same complain you had acted like one, so why do you keep doing that? Please back up your claims with substantial evidence.

Here let me help:
1. Find the incident
2. Prove how its related to gamergate. Show that it contains a sizable and relevant amount of supports of the gamergate (i.e gamergate seems to number around 100k, so find an incident that has around 10k members; this is known as a representative sample).
3. Prove that damage actually occurred as a result of this action. Shouldn't be too hard.

Last but not least, making fun of chan culture is not an argument. For one, chan culture is not exactly super hostile or super terroistically evil. That's an exaggeration and if you actually did browse 8chan regularly you'd know they don't exactly do much. Heck this is the same 8chan that when faced with Child porn and the moderator was asleep, the users went for roughly 4 hours or so rapidly reporting and burying any child porn that was spotted. Blaming Chan culture is like acting that free speech and anonymity somehow kills people. I would like you to prove this.

Well, this place has become sunshine and rainbows. I'm going to post this here instead of the comment section in case the mods get on my ass…..again

APA Says Link Between Aggression and Video Games Still Stands

This pretty much sums-up the anti-Gamer side
no matter how many times they are proven wrong, they'll just keep repeating the same baseless accusations

from the same people who brought you the most annoying citation format in the world.

GUYS THE FOLKS AT THE SPJ AIRPLAY DISCUSSION GOT EVACUATED, SOME SAY THAT IT'S A BOMB THREAT
If this is done by the aGGros, it is the dumbest thing they could ever do. I hope that none of the gg's did it for making us look like victims.

You know, with the bomb threat that just happened and the one in D.C., is it more likely that this is something done by that Baphomet board on 8chan than anything else?

Not sure if this should go here or in the comment section, but #SPJAirPlay is now trending worldwide. And guess what the description is?

Source

Shit's getting real.
not saying any aggro DID do it, but many of them did make a big fuss about not wanting to go to SPJ to debate gamergate. now this happens.

That's really the problem with incidents like this. It could be anyone

Corrupt ProGGs could use it to paint the the Anti's as the villains

AntiGGs could do it just for the sake of doing it or say the ProGGs did it to blame the Antis, because the Antis would be the first blamed for it.

Or just some random asshole did it for shits and giggles.

What I can tell you is that shit's going to get wild, man.

Just when things were getting quiet around here.

I wonder if there'll be any arrests this time for the threats.

Somebody did something very stupid. I'm going to wait and see if the police or any investigations can turn up evidence about who did this.

It's 16th of August. It's been a whole year. What made this controversy last this long? Did anyone else think it would last that long 11 months ago? I remember people joking about GamerGate lasting a year.

We have to last as long as necessary

I'd say that a lot of the controversy started in the internet. With the likes of Kony and Bring Our Girls, there are loads of factors including people literally dying and geographical location; but here it all started with media websites, which are always here. We have both archived pages and a lot of the originals are still there, readily available for both sides and anyone new willing to get involved.

My biggest point is that the problem is easily in our sphere of influence, we can send emails, expose corruption, inform the people.

I remember the image macros proclaiming "The Great Shitstorm of our Time."

Well, they weren't wrong, now were they?

It's last so long because the parameters shifted from combating corruption and bias in games journalism to combating a semi-political ideological spin-off and complaining about all media being corrupt and bias. It creates a goal that is pretty much impossible to meet, as opposition to the political idea GG stands against ((SJW's, PC decisions, "Progressive Actions", Etc)) only makes the people hardened in their resolve, identically to how pressure from the media and different social media as well as criticisms or negative reactions in general seem to only fuel Gamergate to continue to exist. Finally, it is very easy to be part of gamergate, just make a few statements on social media mocking people and shitposting some memes of re-colored warhammer pics, with a posted link to an article found at sites like Gamergate.me and done, you've kept gamergate alive.

It's the ease of which its exsistence can be continued, combined with established places for which gamergate can create a chamber of like-minded individuals to discuss the faults of non-enlightened heretics who oppose the circlejerk neutrals who have resisted red-pilling recruitment, as well as the perpetual boogeyman of political-opinions-we-don't-agree-with. And Finally, an enemy without clear goals, organization, members, locations, and lacking an end game outside of continued resistence against its precieved threat and rival.

Most importantly however is the food source. People saying bad things about gamergate and gamergate supporters is the lifeblood of this movement, sad to say. You see more posts in the image gallery here of singular tweets badmouthing the movement or members of the movement rather then actual events taking place, be they positive events or events that went horribly arry. Either way, it provides things to talk about to make GG appear fresh and relevent. After all, if the other side simply stopped talking about gamergate, all GG would have to talk about is each other, and that would quickly become boring with everyone having the same opinions and views.

More bomb threats, seriously?

The ride of hilarity really never does end, does it?

It is a war between the 2 most radical, enduring and stubborn groups the internet has ever known.
Gamers are immune to insults, a huge keep-going-no-matter-what mentality. They only stop when they reached their goal.
Its opponents: Glorified bloggers whose egos are WAY above sane levels, sjw's who are what you can define as a cult who will hold on to their ideas no matter how twisted or unrealistic it may be. And Media outlets who rather make money then report the truth.
See the problem here? Both rather break then budge, the only way to stop this now is a metaphorical H-bomb that will cripple one side so hard that they will never recover from it ever again OR forget our grudges and Forgive each other. The first will only happen when the media will acknowlege us, the other will happen when everyone is willing to put their proud aside.
In other worths, when hell freezes, pigs fly or half-life 3 gets released THEN gamergate will end.

Really? BOMB THREATS?

Even if those accusations to GG WERE true, it only went as far as threatening.

And they may or may not have tried to blow us up 3 times.

If we're worse than Hitler, they're as bad as Stalin (made the comparison as I often hear Stalin was more than Hitler) . At least Hitler thought murdering people was a way to HELP people.

I can't to see how the media makes it OUR fault that there was a bomb risk.

Back to the movement itself, I doubt it will really end soon either. Gamers have been pretty much invulnerable to insults. We've had to deal with stereotyping, scapegoating, and treated as horrible people for at least 40 years.

SJWs however, are people who target things they don't like, and ruin it. They aren't immune to to criticism, they're just really don't care until it's obvious that unless they fix their "mistake", they're SCREWED.

Us and them can pretty much deal as much damage, it's like a boss fight with characters on equal strengths.

IMO,I'm glad Gaming isn't counted as an artistic medium, because then they'll run into the same problems as books, TV and movies do: ignorant people saying things like CoD is terrible, because in they're mind, video games are only for kids, despite that there's a rating system, most stores don't allow kids to play M rated games, and they can just get a refund or uninstall the game.

TV and movies are plagued with the fact they're either patronizing, terrible shows with the excuse that it's "for kids", or it's a horrifying, disturbing South Park rip-off thinking it's for adults that way.

If it gets accepted as a medium like the others, it'll have to deal with this everyday, instead of every few years, like now.

My hope for GamerGate if it somehow ends and is successful, are a few things:

-Objective reviews on games. They can say if something was morally "wrong" in it, but save on an opinion piece instead, not on an official article.
-Drive away SJWs. These people make things worse.

IMO, there's some things that should also be done for video games besides the following:

-Make moral "guardians" realize that games are made for specific people, not for your child alone, to actually monitor their children and the kind of games they play/watch, to actually use Parental Controls, and lift them when needed, so when they hit a certain age, they can play up to a certain rating (10 year olds are allowed to play E10+, 13 allows T rated games, etc.)
-Actual mature games. For example, I would think Mother 3 would fit in the M rating better than most games. Just because it has mature elements doesn't make it a mature story.

-Better profanity rules in multiplayer games. For example:

1. Allow greater uses of curse words, depending on rating (restricting the F-bomb in Splatoon, but allowing it in CoD with no reprecussions).

2. Auto-mute someone who's using blacklisted words for a certain amount of time, depending on severity, frequency, and if it's directed at someone or not in a joking matter or not.

3. Allow some sort of a reputation system, where people who break the guidelines have a lower reputation, and auto-match people with an equal reputation (along with other auto-match criteria).

Sorry if this got overly long or off-topic. my point is, GamerGate is essential, but we'll need more help.

Before adding my thoughts I would like to make two points, so that anyone who reads this understands my perspective. First, I am at the oldest fringe of the Millennials, and am probably older than all of you. Secondly, while I play a lot of video games they tend to be historical strategy. I don't own a console, play FPS games or other games typically associated with gamer culture, and I hadn't consumed video game journalism for nearly 10 years prior to Gamer Gate. Therefore, I don't consider myself part of gaming culture.

I believe GamerGate has lasted, and will continue to last, because it is part of a larger and growing social movement: a dissatisfaction with institutions perceived to be part of or to represent corrupt establishments controlled by elitist cliques who refuse to be responsive to the general public. GamerGate's crusade is just one example of this phenomena. Another is occurring in American politics, where a group of professional politicians and political consultants composes the clique. It's not a coincidence that currently the two hottest candidates are Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders, men perceived to be anti/outside the establishment, while Jeb Bush (the Republican establishment candidate) and Hilary Clinton (the Democrat establishment candidate) are slumping badly. I see some connection to this phenomena in other, more subtle revolts occurring on a consumer level, where inefficient and overpriced services are being dumped for new entities (Uber's growth at the expense of traditional cab services, the rise of Netflix/Hulus/et al at the cost of cable companies and traditional television, etc).

For gamers, the revelations about video game journalism last summer was the match struck against the powder keg. The initial accusations suggested corruption, a lack of ethics, and a manipulation of the truth by multiple media sources. In regards to the gaming community, I don't know if the initial story created a new set of perceptions, or affirmed what many had suspected, but in that moment the image of a corrupt clique of gaming journalists formed in many minds.

To me, none of it was surprising. Years ago, I used to receive a gaming magazine. While I won't say that the magazine outright lied, or I ever felt there were ethically questionable reviews or articles, it was pretty easy to see when the contributors were sugar-coating a bad demo or hyping a preview. Even in the absence of ethics violations, it was evident (and understandable) that gaming journalists would, and perhaps had to, manipulate the truth to some degree. It taught me to always take what I was reading with a grain of salt. I am sure I am not the only one who reached such a conclusion, but as I mentioned, it hard for me to know how broad this sentiment was before last summer's revelations.

In any event, if that's where the story had ended for GamerGate I doubt it would have blown up to the degree that it did. But then came the "Gamers Are Dead" campaign, which demonstrated both the willingness and ability of mass media organizations to collaborate with one another to push an agenda in order to manipulate public opinion, and an openness to smearing its targets while doing so. It broadened that initial perception of corrupt journalists beyond its fairly limited scope to included much larger, much more influential media organizations. It threw into question the ethics and trustworthiness of entire media universe. For GamerGate activists, it broadened the clique and expanded the problem they felt needed to be corrected.

Again, the campaign itself was not surprising to me. For years conservative media has claimed that American "mainstream" media often using talking points to influence public opinion, an allegation "mainstream" media organizations deny. And of course, liberal media makes similar allegations about conservative media, which is also probably true. Whether one chooses to believe the former or the latter, or both, the "Gamers Are Dead" campaign is evidence it has happened at least once. As a result, it has taught a new generation the importance of being judicious consumers of all news media, because all new media has it own set of biases and agendas, even when it comes to something as seemingly apolitical as the video games.

Perhaps, and probably, many in this generation already knew this, but it leads me to my last point as to why GamerGate has endured, will continue to endure, and the importance of it doing so. The fight became very personal for both sides, and the stakes rose as both sides claimed the moral high ground. Fights over such fundamental values as honor and integrity tend to solidify identities. They also tend to evolve, rather than disappear. Therefore, I don't think either side is going anywhere soon. And why is it important for GamerGate to continue? Because GamerGate is the only movement I know of which has not caved into pressure when faced with opposition by SJW-oriented media. GamerGate not only stood up to the smear campaign, it managed to force major concessions out of several gaming journalist organizations. It did so by refusing to accept the premise that it was fueled by hate, by refusing to be defined by the narrative constructed against it. Like many similar narratives this one attempted to derail a movement with reasonable objectives by discrediting individuals through name-calling and mudslinging, by burdening a majority with the guilt of a infinitesimally small minority, and by obscuring factual-grounded arguments with manufactured hysteria. GamerGate didn't allow that to happen. It denounced the bad actors without accepting responsibility for the actions, and did so while not being distracted from going on the offensive.

And in achieving many of its objectives, it created a disciplined, media-savvy, group of individuals endowed with a new awareness of their cultural surroundings who, and this is most important of all, are willing to stand toe-to-toe with the SJW crowd on the issues and causes they deem important. In short, it has created a competent debating partner for the SJW movement. The balancing effect that promises to bring to future controversies large and small gives me hope for the future.

tl;dr: Good work GamerGate.

Yeah. to add to that, its got elements of WWI trench warfare. That is, in the absence of an obvious win/loss in the near future (cough MR BONES cough), both sides want to keep fighting primarily to prevent the OTHER side from winning. Because really, who here WANT to be busy with this mess for a year straight.

On top of that, this is a war of extermination, similar to the Nazi attack on Russia. If WE lose, than gaming as we know it, along with a lot of our chaotic free-speech culture is DEAD, on the other hand, If we win, the SOCJUS narrative gets annihilated and all of them are out of a job (and probably career).

You got one thing wrong though: The release of Half Life 3 wouldn't end gamergate. The decisively NON-gamer SOCJUS would just accuse the game and its fans of rampant misogyny, the gamers would defend it and GG would be back in full swing.

@Colonel Sandor

David Auerbach, is that you?

(But seriously, I have some quibbles but you're pretty much 100% right on).

Airplay highlights:

Ghazi admits it's racist

Polygon closes comments:

Airplay trends on Twitter:

The narrative is failing:

The half-life part was just a joke. I was giving an example of an "impossible requirement"
Like "when chickens get teeth" or "a socialist becomes president of the USA"

In case you missed it in the GG comments section, Cracked has once again decided video games are evil and blah, blah…..we've been here before.

"The 5 Most Unbelievably Sexist Video Game Quests"

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It seems victory could be drawing near.

Uploaded on Jan 19, 2010
www.bbc.co.uk/markkermode.
When someone seeking to generate a moral panic about corrupting video games attacks an article about the very subject of moral panics and video games simply to service their own agenda, then we are in disagreeably familiar absudist territory.

Only tangentially related to gamergate

You remember the APA meta-analysis that said there was a link between videogames and violence?
The one that 200 psychologists have signed a letter publically decrying?

It turns out, some of the studies used may not have been peer reviewed

If thats true then from a scientific perspective…

Unarchived link, if you want it for whatever reason

Well, I can see that quite a few things have happened here since I last posted. Anyways, I was looking for further imput, if anyone would like to answer.

In recent news of GG happenings, a bomb threat was recently made at the SPJ Airplay, and if I remember correctly, Arthur Chu was rather edgy about making bomb threats and his famous "it ends tonight" tweet.

Given that Chu feeds GG with a lot of, if not MORE then enough ammo for overkill, especially with bomb threats at the last meetup that made the bomb threats happen, can we safely assume that Chu did the same thing at the SPJ Airplay?

The only thing we can properly ascertain is that Arthur Chu is a dumbass.

Until Arthur Chu gets caught, its just as likely he's pretending to do shit because it makes him look 'kewl' in front of his 'friends'. I haven't heard anything stupid from Chu about this bomb threat so either he learned its bad to make or take credit for bomb threats (you have to learn that!?) or he doesn't want to get accused of having made a bomb threat this time around.

You do make a fine point that Chu looks before he leaps, but if there was a big name aGGro that would, or a known aGG group that would make a bomb threat like the one at the SPJ Airplay, would there be many candidates, or would the candidate pool very severely limited?

There would be many candidates. From Chu himself, to trolls, to the LWs, to Ghazi members, and finally to anyone who thinks they'll get something for doing it.

It's not like you need a big name to call in a bomb threat.

True, you don't really need a big name to call in a bomb threat, as bomb threats are taken very seriously. You don't even need a name, which could be debated.

Moving on however to the question I've been meaning to ask.. why? What's the point in calling in a bomb threat?

I'm afraid I have little insight into this. My guess is that someone still thinks censorship still works even this late into the movement.

I mean we could ask "why do this" to a lot of the things we've observed. Why pretend gamers are misogynists? They're your audience and you can't prove it neither would you be able to fix it.

Why lock down the comment section of every article you have because of the crappy ones you keep writing instead of you know, not writing the crappy articles? I am no better at understanding the minds of the corrupt industry and those who like it than you are. Here's hoping someone can shed insight on this beyond assuming the person's motive was sociopathy (aka doing it because YOLO).

No sane GG member would think this would help since the meeting was more important and useful uninterrupted than disrupted. And we of course assume that Anti-GG members are not completely insane and able to learn from past events… I hope we're correct in this assumption as its not exactly a stretch in my opinion. There is literally no point to calling in the bomb threat other than censorship.

TL;DR The perp either thinks censorship works or did it for fun.