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MexPirateRed wrote:

Suddenly DiGRA is second-guessing itself and starting to make comments against the OMG Women are always victims and games are evil narrative.

https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/3mcf0p/suddenly_digra_is_secondguessing_itself_and/

Even DiGRA cant believe the U.N. Nonsense.

In other news about the U.N. FAILURE AND GOOGLE IDEAS.

WikiLeaks decide to join the action.

https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/647406773012406272

Google Ideas instrumentalizes the gender wars https://twitter.com/googleideas/status/646783722570682369 … but what is Google Ideas? https://archive.is/QIdpP#selection-105.0-105.5 …

https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/647421818081517568

There is presently a dangerous push to redefine insulting online speech as “violence online”, which will mandate aggressive state censorship

Google Is Not What It Seems
by Julian Assange
https://archive.is/QIdpP

The dangerous push has been going on a long time, under the banner of anti-bullying. It's not limited to the internet.

There is a difference between expressing an unpopular or offensive opinion, making a threat against an individual or group, and committing physical violence. The latter two are illegal under the laws of most countries. The SJWs would like to make the first illegal as well, and have tried to so in several ways. Those include attempting to extend the definition of bullying by branding dissenting opinions as hate speech, discrediting debate as harassment, identifying phenomena such as microagression, and constructing false narratives around purported victims.

Outside of the GG controversy, the SJW movement has received very little counterbalance to this agenda. Which is why, beyond the important but fairly restricted issue of gaming journalism ethics, the GG debate has the potential to make a broader impact on cultural issues.

Well, Assassin's Creed has entered dangerous SJW waters with Assassin's Creed Syndicate to Introduce Series' First Transgender Character

"Named Ned Wynert, this character is a trans man who acts as a supporting character and quest giver for the player. The exact nature of their connection to the story and what role they play in it remains unclear."

Is this a legitimate attempt to diversify their cast? A blatant appeal to PC crowds after they took shots at Assassin's Creed for Evie…..after complaining about not including more women in the cast? Will Ned actually have a character other then being a trans man?

[insert joke about Ubisoft not wanting to pay for a female character model so they just made the character trans instead here]

I also like how IGN used singular "they" instead of "he" or "she," as though they wanted to avoid a pronoun shitstorm or were confused which gender a "trans man" identifies as.

I'd say the test is whether there's any dialogue that indicates it. When characters start blabbing about how they're gay or bisexual when, logically, there'd be no reason for them to talk about their sexuality, that's usually a big indicator that it's basic pandering.

Colonel Sandor wrote:

The dangerous push has been going on a long time, under the banner of anti-bullying. It's not limited to the internet.

There is a difference between expressing an unpopular or offensive opinion, making a threat against an individual or group, and committing physical violence. The latter two are illegal under the laws of most countries. The SJWs would like to make the first illegal as well, and have tried to so in several ways. Those include attempting to extend the definition of bullying by branding dissenting opinions as hate speech, discrediting debate as harassment, identifying phenomena such as microagression, and constructing false narratives around purported victims.

Outside of the GG controversy, the SJW movement has received very little counterbalance to this agenda. Which is why, beyond the important but fairly restricted issue of gaming journalism ethics, the GG debate has the potential to make a broader impact on cultural issues.

That was true back when this started, but over the past year things have changed dramatically.

#Shirtstorm showed the world just how petty, arrogant, and outright sadistic SJWs are.

The Rolling Stone-UVA hoax showed how badly "listen & believe" can backfire and ended up giving a crippling wound to the "Campus Rape Culture" hysteria.

Since then SJWs have been in real trouble, with a lot more defeats then they used to and their victories being ever more Pyrrhic.

Now GamerGate has been involved in all of those to a greater or lesser extent, with GamerGate boosting them they grow larger then they would have, and with the larger controversies SOCJUS becomes less popular thereby helping GamerGate grow in a positive feedback loop.

GamerGate's biggest asset to the Anti-SOCJUS alliance is that we've formed a bridge where all the different groups that have problems with SJWs talk to to each other, compare notes, and learn how to fight.

I'm been modeling it as World War II like this:

Sudetenland = Academia.
Austria = Far-Left Politics.
Poland = Sci-Fi & Fantasy.
France = Comics.
Britain = Atheism.
Soviet Union = Gamers.
America = ???.

The first two are near-completely annexed, the next two are heavily occupied but still have noticeable resistance, Atheism was massively damaged but still stood free after the attack was beaten off, and Gamers are where SOCJUS destroys their chances of victory.

Now the only question is what will be the America in this situation, Professional Sports are one, Anime is better, but it's unknown.

Right now SJWs are becoming more & more visible in the mainstream and that's bad for them because their whole scam relies on people seeing them but not getting a very good look. Anita's fall from grace started when she went on Colbert and even with her getting kid gloves she still looked very bad ("name three games" anyone?).

Right now this UN shit means that SJWs are in public eye by going to the UN Human Rightds Comisstion to complain people call them names on the internet, it makes them look so thin-skinned, censorious, and entitled that even some of DiGRA are jumping ship.

We've hit peak SJW, if GamerGate legitimately died tomorrow it wouldn't stop the train and the ride would just get slower rather then stop.

TheGamerGrim wrote:

Well, Assassin's Creed has entered dangerous SJW waters with Assassin's Creed Syndicate to Introduce Series' First Transgender Character

"Named Ned Wynert, this character is a trans man who acts as a supporting character and quest giver for the player. The exact nature of their connection to the story and what role they play in it remains unclear."

Is this a legitimate attempt to diversify their cast? A blatant appeal to PC crowds after they took shots at Assassin's Creed for Evie…..after complaining about not including more women in the cast? Will Ned actually have a character other then being a trans man?

still can't get over them using the "well she's just eye candy for the guys to have rape fantasies about" argument on evie. like seriously?
come on ubisoft they're just going to move the fucking goalposts on you again. they;ll probably call ned a "sick joke at the expense of trans people" or "still in the gender binary"
and they aren't going to even buy your game anyway.

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TheGamerGrim wrote:

Well, Assassin's Creed has entered dangerous SJW waters with Assassin's Creed Syndicate to Introduce Series' First Transgender Character

"Named Ned Wynert, this character is a trans man who acts as a supporting character and quest giver for the player. The exact nature of their connection to the story and what role they play in it remains unclear."

Is this a legitimate attempt to diversify their cast? A blatant appeal to PC crowds after they took shots at Assassin's Creed for Evie…..after complaining about not including more women in the cast? Will Ned actually have a character other then being a trans man?

And…why does this matter to you?

3kole5 wrote:

And…why does this matter to you?

Because I believe the execution and fallout of this will be…..interesting

Nowadays when we have, say a homosexual character, most writers know there has to be more to a character then just their sexual preference. They need more then that to actually be well-rounded characters. Same thing goes with Ned, he needs to be more then just "The trans guy". Video Game writing needs to be held to a higher standard then that.

Next is the audience. Will they see him as a depiction or as a character? That's a problem we have now, where some people don't like women characters cast in negative or evil light without saying it's sexist or demeaning. GTA 5 is an example of that. What articles will we see from this? I'm expecting a few to say he's not trans enough.

Is this just pandering or is it a video game trying to tackle a difficult subject? I want to know the answer.

TheGamerGrim wrote:

Because I believe the execution and fallout of this will be…..interesting

Nowadays when we have, say a homosexual character, most writers know there has to be more to a character then just their sexual preference. They need more then that to actually be well-rounded characters. Same thing goes with Ned, he needs to be more then just "The trans guy". Video Game writing needs to be held to a higher standard then that.

Next is the audience. Will they see him as a depiction or as a character? That's a problem we have now, where some people don't like women characters cast in negative or evil light without saying it's sexist or demeaning. GTA 5 is an example of that. What articles will we see from this? I'm expecting a few to say he's not trans enough.

Is this just pandering or is it a video game trying to tackle a difficult subject? I want to know the answer.

I should also add that I've seen some people say that they're going to boycott this because of the move to add a trans character in. Those people, in my opinion, are really stupid.

What the heck are you people even talking about? What does this further conversation have to do with GG? If people want to buy the game or not, they're free to do so, I myself won't buy it cause the transition between Unity and Black Flag was so bad I don't trust them, and I don't want their micortransactions and always online bs to deal with. This sounds more like it should be in the assassins creed thread to discuss, nkt the gamergate thread.

True, SJW's will complain about ned and evie. It is inevitable as their desire of a perfect female character is so strict and so radically different between groups, thwt it's impossible to please even half of them. But that's nothing new. When dragon age had a transsexual character named Krem, a very well written character by the way, SJW's threw a fit about the character not being more vocal about their trans status kr trans rights, and that they couldn't fuck them.

But you don't see me making posts about that here because its not the focus of the thread. This is a serious discussion thread so keeping on topic is kinda vital here. As this is only loosely tied to gg via sjw's being sjw's, I'd suggest twking it to the games and media forums so more people can discuss this without derailing the thread.

Black Graphic T wrote:

What the heck are you people even talking about? What does this further conversation have to do with GG? If people want to buy the game or not, they're free to do so, I myself won't buy it cause the transition between Unity and Black Flag was so bad I don't trust them, and I don't want their micortransactions and always online bs to deal with. This sounds more like it should be in the assassins creed thread to discuss, nkt the gamergate thread.

True, SJW's will complain about ned and evie. It is inevitable as their desire of a perfect female character is so strict and so radically different between groups, thwt it's impossible to please even half of them. But that's nothing new. When dragon age had a transsexual character named Krem, a very well written character by the way, SJW's threw a fit about the character not being more vocal about their trans status kr trans rights, and that they couldn't fuck them.

But you don't see me making posts about that here because its not the focus of the thread. This is a serious discussion thread so keeping on topic is kinda vital here. As this is only loosely tied to gg via sjw's being sjw's, I'd suggest twking it to the games and media forums so more people can discuss this without derailing the thread.

One of Gamergate's missions is to confront instances of outside forces (hipsters, sjws, vampires) attempting to shoehorn in their political views and agendas into video games. Much like when they attacked Pillars of Eternity over a trans joke, when MarySue declared Samus Aran trans, or yada yada ya. Granted this is usual in the case of independent video games but if appealing to SJWs becomes the norm, we're all boned.

But I'll get to my point, I simply wanted to know what you guys had to say on the matter and what may happen in it's aftermath.

If you really want me to drop the subject, that's fine. It's just something I was curious about. Here's something more on topic

Citation Games By the United Nations' #CyberViolence

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3kole5 wrote:

I should also add that I've seen some people say that they're going to boycott this because of the move to add a trans character in. Those people, in my opinion, are really stupid.

What would their motivation be?

Because if it's "oh shit, Ubisoft realizes this going to be worse then Unity so they're going to toss a token in and scream transphobia when people are angry at how bad the launch goes" that isn't so bad.

Edit: Remember how EA claimed that the reason fans were pissed at Mass Effect 3 was homophobia, not the ending?


@Black Graphic T

See above and also TheGamerGrim's comment.

Last edited Sep 26, 2015 at 05:17PM EDT

NightmareNear wrote:

How To Write About Free Speech Withouth Being Called A Misogynist.

You know, I want to believe that that technique works, but just the other day I put out a ton of tweets condemning violence and harassment against women, saying people need to get help so that something can be done.

All of a sudden out of the blue 2 SJWs openly mocked me and one of them said I was an enabler and a victim blamer. One of them just insulted me and told me I was a "big crybaby that needs to shut up", and the other made one tweet at me calling me a misogynist and blocked me instantly before I could respond.
The same dude who said I was victim blaming also tried to start a witch hunt on me from his 420 followers (none of them done anything mind you, but a witch hunt attempt by him, nonetheless). I'm not saying who it is because I would be a hypocrite, but if you care that badly you can find my Twitter in my KYM profile, and go digging.

Moral of the story: Some people just don't care and would rather just attack you for something to bitch about.

Those types of people are just sadist confrontationalists. They use confrontation just to feel good about themselves through someone else's expense. A lot of these SJWs are just conformed with their opinions and go against anyone who disagrees with them.


To quote MysticJoJo in the comments…
"In other words, “Before we can claim we’re being harassed, we must first greatly expand the definition because under its current meaning we’re clearly not.”"

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Bookie wrote:

That was true back when this started, but over the past year things have changed dramatically.

#Shirtstorm showed the world just how petty, arrogant, and outright sadistic SJWs are.

The Rolling Stone-UVA hoax showed how badly "listen & believe" can backfire and ended up giving a crippling wound to the "Campus Rape Culture" hysteria.

Since then SJWs have been in real trouble, with a lot more defeats then they used to and their victories being ever more Pyrrhic.

Now GamerGate has been involved in all of those to a greater or lesser extent, with GamerGate boosting them they grow larger then they would have, and with the larger controversies SOCJUS becomes less popular thereby helping GamerGate grow in a positive feedback loop.

GamerGate's biggest asset to the Anti-SOCJUS alliance is that we've formed a bridge where all the different groups that have problems with SJWs talk to to each other, compare notes, and learn how to fight.

I'm been modeling it as World War II like this:

Sudetenland = Academia.
Austria = Far-Left Politics.
Poland = Sci-Fi & Fantasy.
France = Comics.
Britain = Atheism.
Soviet Union = Gamers.
America = ???.

The first two are near-completely annexed, the next two are heavily occupied but still have noticeable resistance, Atheism was massively damaged but still stood free after the attack was beaten off, and Gamers are where SOCJUS destroys their chances of victory.

Now the only question is what will be the America in this situation, Professional Sports are one, Anime is better, but it's unknown.

Right now SJWs are becoming more & more visible in the mainstream and that's bad for them because their whole scam relies on people seeing them but not getting a very good look. Anita's fall from grace started when she went on Colbert and even with her getting kid gloves she still looked very bad ("name three games" anyone?).

Right now this UN shit means that SJWs are in public eye by going to the UN Human Rightds Comisstion to complain people call them names on the internet, it makes them look so thin-skinned, censorious, and entitled that even some of DiGRA are jumping ship.

We've hit peak SJW, if GamerGate legitimately died tomorrow it wouldn't stop the train and the ride would just get slower rather then stop.

This might come across as a bit defeatist, but I think it needs to be said.

I agree with most of your assessment, and I've said before that GG has made important strides, but I think everyone should be cautious when assessing the health of the SJW movement and GG's impact. I say this because of the above post about ZQ and AS at the UN. Specifically, ZQ's statement that "We need people to actually enforce their own terms of service and shut down bad actors and bad faith websites" says a lot about where things stand.

Getting people "to enforce their own terms of service" and "shut down" bad actors are both references to what I consider soft censorship, which I define as manufacturing or manipulating public opinion to pressure non-government organizations into adopting a desired behavior. It's a means of controlling behavior outside the statutory system. SJWs have learned while they would love to have the power of the state to enforce their agenda, they don't need it to advance their cause. A well-timed, well-publicized media campaign, like a Twitter hashtag, is enough to intimidate private organizations into modifying "bad" behavior.

A great, post-GG example of this tactic in use is the Confederate Flag controversy in US, which took place earlier this year. Various media constructed a narrative around "public outrage" which led to all major retailers ending the sale of flag items, to the point that it is now difficult to buy these items in the United States despite no change in the legal code. Care to guess how many polls that narrative was based on? Not a single one. The retailers stopped selling on June 24th, and the first polls appeared on July 2nd. Those polls, by the way, showed no virtually no change in public opinion on whether the flag was racist or not since polls taken in 2002. But the media campaign had already been fought and won by the SJWs. The retailers had modified their behavior to avoid being perceived as "bad actors" based on a non-existent shift in public opinion.

My point is not that GG should have taken a side in that debate, or should be required/expected to take any side in any debate, and least of all to reopen the debate about the Confederate Flag (especially in this thread), but rather to remind everyone that while GG has given the SJW movement a well-deserved check, and in doing so has exposed its underlying hypocrisy, intellectual dishonesty, and its unflinching lack of an ethic, it remains a powerful cultural movement. A powerful cultural movement which understands the power of perception over fact, and has no qualms about manipulating the former at the expense of the latter. I brought up the flag controversy to illustrate this point.

It's also one reason why, for all the fulfillment it brings to see these anti figureheads exposed and discredited, part of me believes discrediting them, important as it is in the short term, will not lead to long term impacts. Most of them are useful tools, and like all tools will be set aside when their job is done or replaced when they become too broken to repair. One can completely expose someone like a ZQ and it won't matter. The truth will either be rejected (shrbutts) or the cards will be reshuffled (Quinn generally taking a backseat to Anita/Wu) as needed.

It's the wider cultural and social circles responsible for arranging one-sided events such this UN charade, for allowing the Rolling Stone-UVA incident to be printed, which need a counterbalancing opponent. Movements like GG are encouraging to see and have already made an impact during their short lives, but they are still only saplings. It is encouraging to see them growing and making connections to one another, but only time will tell if they can evolve into a wider, deeper, self-sustaining cultural movement that generates single-issue causes, rather than be generated by single-issue causes. For example, rather than reacting to the absurdity of UN hearings, there would be enough cultural influence to generate or participate in UN hearings (not that I think UN hearings have any importance beyond illustrating my point).

To put it in terms of your war analogy, it is good to see the opponent being stalemated- but it is better to see them defeated. There have been several tactical setbacks for the SJW movement in the last year, but have they suffered a strategic defeat? I'm not so sure. For me the signal the tide has turned will be when printing a fabricated story about rape on college campi, holding uncritical hearings in which discredited figures justify crypto-fascism through fabricated victim-hood, or inventing social outrage to modify cultural behavior, carries a loss of credibility with measurable, long-term repercussions for both the individual(s) and institution(s) involved. Ultimate victory will be when the concern for such repercussions prevents such distortions of reality from even being attempted.

GG has certainly nudged the discussion in that direction, but it's important to remember this is one battlefield in a much larger conflict with deep cultural roots.

Nate χ (Blade of Dawn) wrote:


To quote MysticJoJo in the comments…
"In other words, “Before we can claim we’re being harassed, we must first greatly expand the definition because under its current meaning we’re clearly not.”"

"There are individuals on services like YouTube that have made a living off claiming abuse like Anita and I who monetize this, who invent mobs, who seek attention. Who raise funds this way, by continuing to claim they are attacked, are stalked, are harrassed, because it's a cottage industry at this point."

Nate χ (Blade of Dawn) wrote:


To quote MysticJoJo in the comments…
"In other words, “Before we can claim we’re being harassed, we must first greatly expand the definition because under its current meaning we’re clearly not.”"

From this:

@Colonel Sandor

A great, post-GG example of this tactic in use is the Confederate Flag controversy in US

The flags came back and sales numbers actually increased.

It's because SJWs are generally unaware of how unpopular their views are. There was a lot of support for removing the flag from the State House, both because being permanently attached meant it wasn't able to be lowered (so when the Stars & Stripes were lowered to half-mast, the Stars & Bars were flying triumphantly over it) and because a flag of treason doesn't belong on a government building.

But when The Dukes of Hazzard DVDs are pulled off the shelf and a Civil War game is banned from Apple App store for containing the flag normal people are disgusted and repelled.

But since SJWs can't see a difference they overreached and got backlash.

One can completely expose someone like a ZQ and it won’t matter. The truth will either be rejected (shrbutts) or the cards will be reshuffled (Quinn generally taking a backseat to Anita/Wu) as needed.

Butts is going to jail, that's inevitable.

When it happens AntiGamer is going to take a beating because all the big names decided to endorse child molestation rather then say "fuck Sarah" or at least stay quiet.

And arrests can't be covered up.

And of course, shuffling tools around won't stop them from taking damage so their destruction just takes longer.

Anita is becoming more of a joke by the day, Zoe is getting fucked-up in court, and Wu is Wu.

It’s the wider cultural and social circles responsible for arranging one-sided events such this UN charade, for allowing the Rolling Stone-UVA incident to be printed, which need a counterbalancing opponent.

That opponent doesn't need to be a movement, it's not the SPLCs & ADLs of the world that keep neo-nazis & the KKK out of power, it's the average person who has been thoroughly red-pilled on why they are bad.

Humanity has been mentally immunized against their positions, the same will happen for SJWs.

To put it in terms of your war analogy, it is good to see the opponent being stalemated- but it is better to see them defeated. There have been several tactical setbacks for the SJW movement in the last year, but have they suffered a strategic defeat?

Those tactical defeats are caused by SOCJUS having a logistical defeat, GamerGate and all the other anti-SJW counterattacks are rapidly growing in influence and power while SOCJUS is running out of resources, reserves, and everything else.

In a war it would be the GamerGate Alliance rapidly developing & refining new tech, tactics & strategy being constantly improved, a diplomatic offensive that means the international community is slowly coming to our side of the conflict, and spies infesting SOCJUS meaning we know most of what they're doing.

While SOCJUS makes little progress with tech, tactics & strategy that are 90% "send more troops", diplomatic efforts that just alienate the international community, spies that are generally very easy to spot and incapable of understanding what they find, and declares war on more nations in the middle of all this.

Needless to say, they won't last.


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It seems like Vivian James will be getting another game, called Project SOCJUS.

"The game takes place in an alternate reality of 2014, several decades after 1984. Society is ruled under the iron thumb of the Matriarchy known as SOCJUS, a group that exercises censorship and totalitarianism through thought-policing. Vivian James is pulled into battle against the regime after her friend Gilda Mars is labeled as an internalized misogynist. In a fight to save her friend Vivian must battle through the forces of white knights and betas to free society and discover the “truth” behind the SOCJUS regime."

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I just heard about the really dumb GG joke in Funimations dub of Prison School and how poorly the people who do said translation are reacting to legit criticisms of it and all I have to ask is: of all the animes, why give the translation job of an anime full of sexual content to two people who follow sex negative rad feminists like Sarkeesian?

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Mistress Fortune wrote:

I just heard about the really dumb GG joke in Funimations dub of Prison School and how poorly the people who do said translation are reacting to legit criticisms of it and all I have to ask is: of all the animes, why give the translation job of an anime full of sexual content to two people who follow sex negative rad feminists like Sarkeesian?

What makes me worried is that several editors, managers and staff had to have agreed and allowed that to slip through. Surely some of them must have saw that fonzie reference and asked "just what exactly is that doing here and how many English speakers will actually understand this dated reference?".

Of course I'm sure some of them must have asked "just what exactly is a reference to an internet movement which has no relevance to this show and won't be understood by anyone as an actual joke doing in this localization? Surely including in this would only anger purists who want direct faithful translations as well as anger people who just want to watch a show and not have to google purely western political events to understand a joke that admittedly isn't funny"

I wonder if the voice actor even questioned why such a political charged statement would be involved in a show that doesn't involve video gaming.

MrKillultra wrote:

What makes me worried is that several editors, managers and staff had to have agreed and allowed that to slip through. Surely some of them must have saw that fonzie reference and asked "just what exactly is that doing here and how many English speakers will actually understand this dated reference?".

Of course I'm sure some of them must have asked "just what exactly is a reference to an internet movement which has no relevance to this show and won't be understood by anyone as an actual joke doing in this localization? Surely including in this would only anger purists who want direct faithful translations as well as anger people who just want to watch a show and not have to google purely western political events to understand a joke that admittedly isn't funny"

I wonder if the voice actor even questioned why such a political charged statement would be involved in a show that doesn't involve video gaming.

This is why I put up this thread in the Media Forums.
I fear that #PerformanceMatters and #IAmOnBoard2015 vs. #AllDevsMatter might hit crossroads with GamerGate, because one of the "leaders" or should I say "Enforcer" of #IAmOnBoard2015 is this guy:

and "Potato Logic Girl"

I just feel like that they're are some Bang Zoom Entertainment workers that might feel the same way as the two at Funi do about GG.
What also worries me is what Wheaton's tabletop players think. These people as I said in the thread above include:
Laura Bailey
and Yuri Lowenthal
I just fear this could be inevitable.

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Mistress Fortune wrote:

I just heard about the really dumb GG joke in Funimations dub of Prison School and how poorly the people who do said translation are reacting to legit criticisms of it and all I have to ask is: of all the animes, why give the translation job of an anime full of sexual content to two people who follow sex negative rad feminists like Sarkeesian?

Eh, sometimes it's just a paycheck for people. Jamie Marchi has voiced a lot of ecchi stuff, and she seems pretty comfortable with it in commentary tracks.I imagine you just laugh at it and have fun,

Mistress Fortune wrote:

I just heard about the really dumb GG joke in Funimations dub of Prison School and how poorly the people who do said translation are reacting to legit criticisms of it and all I have to ask is: of all the animes, why give the translation job of an anime full of sexual content to two people who follow sex negative rad feminists like Sarkeesian?

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Honestly, I think they've reached their high water mark. These people going to the UN and asking that their critics be censored is gonna get them a lot of negative attention. Once word of this gets out, reaches a wider audience, the days of SocJus are numbered.

It's all downhill from here.

The Ultimate Paragon wrote:

Honestly, I think they've reached their high water mark. These people going to the UN and asking that their critics be censored is gonna get them a lot of negative attention. Once word of this gets out, reaches a wider audience, the days of SocJus are numbered.

It's all downhill from here.

I dont think their day are numbered.
Sadly the system that creates this type of people will still be there.
It just going to make a massive damage to their "cause", but they will return.

MexPirateRed wrote:

I dont think their day are numbered.
Sadly the system that creates this type of people will still be there.
It just going to make a massive damage to their "cause", but they will return.

Which is why we have to change the system. I fought political correctness back in the 90s, and I thought it was more or less gone for good. Now it's back, and more obnoxious than ever. This time, we're going to take the fight back to the source once we've rendered them vulnerable. Capitalize on their weakness, and use our momentum to crush them once and for all. I don't want to have to deal with this shit a third time.

It's like the Chinese proverb: "when weeding, destroy the roots."

"So, what did I miss? I heard something about Polygon, but couldn’t find much context?"

Here's the gist of it. Polygon published an article about an e-book insulting the video game industry written by Phil Owen. It was credited to "Polygon Staff". Later, it turned out that the article was actually written by… Phil Owen.

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The Ultimate Paragon wrote:

Honestly, I think they've reached their high water mark. These people going to the UN and asking that their critics be censored is gonna get them a lot of negative attention. Once word of this gets out, reaches a wider audience, the days of SocJus are numbered.

It's all downhill from here.

Everyone's been saying 'this is where SocJus dies' since the beginning of GG. It hasn't ended before, it won't end now. I'm not trying to rain on the parade, but it would be too easy if our enemies just rolled over and quit because of one fuck up. Remember, they aren't there just to make GG look bad, they too believe very strongly in their cause. It's critical we don't use their methods for ours, or else we become the monster we set out to slay.

I think you are also forgetting, we are not against social justice itself. Maybe you are personally, but it's the extremists who want to bully and abuse to get their way that we are fighting. Don't go sour on the whole supermarket just because of a couple bad products, basically.

A Delicious Cut of Roast Beef wrote:

Everyone's been saying 'this is where SocJus dies' since the beginning of GG. It hasn't ended before, it won't end now. I'm not trying to rain on the parade, but it would be too easy if our enemies just rolled over and quit because of one fuck up. Remember, they aren't there just to make GG look bad, they too believe very strongly in their cause. It's critical we don't use their methods for ours, or else we become the monster we set out to slay.

I think you are also forgetting, we are not against social justice itself. Maybe you are personally, but it's the extremists who want to bully and abuse to get their way that we are fighting. Don't go sour on the whole supermarket just because of a couple bad products, basically.

I'm not saying it'll be smooth sailing. But this is going to be a turning point, I'm sure of it.

And don't worry, I'm not against social justice as a whole. I use "SocJus" to refer to the more extreme and/or self-serving elements of the movement. Maybe I should say "Minijust" or something.

The Ultimate Paragon wrote:

I'm not saying it'll be smooth sailing. But this is going to be a turning point, I'm sure of it.

And don't worry, I'm not against social justice as a whole. I use "SocJus" to refer to the more extreme and/or self-serving elements of the movement. Maybe I should say "Minijust" or something.

'Extremist SocJus' works. It's just that when you only say SocJus, it sounds like you mean EVERYTHING that encompasses.

NightmareNear wrote:



Problem is that "moderation" isn't inherently any better.

The 2 biggest moderates in the US election are Hilliary & Jeb, neither of which are going to be very competent in the White House.

Nowadays "moderation" means signing up for 90% of the current world system and only proposing minor tweaks to the rest.

Gridlock, Obamacare, and Austerity are all "moderate" establishment positions.


@Multiscoop

SOCJUS is SJWs by definition, it's meant to sound like something out of an Orwell novel (remember INGSOC?)

And SOCJUS is burning, in the real world there generally isn't a single battle that inevitably decides who wins the war.

It's the combination of who wins all the little skirmishes and who wins the big battles and who has better resources and who has better tactics/strategy/logistics and who was more info and who has better diplomatic relations that decides who wins the war.

And by now SOCJUS has made itself deeply unpopular among the normies, they might not know what an "SJW" is but they can recognize the behavior and are repulsed by it, the normies are just not being as loud about it as we are.

That's going to change. SOCJUS has passed the Tarkin Point:

They're just trying to smash down their enemies but their enemies have grown to the point that every attempt at suppressing dissent just results in more dissent.

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