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bernie sanders voters be like mostlyjudson What 16 trillion dollar debt? I have no idea how my free stuff is going to appear. I just know I want it. fullten He's raising taxes on the rich mostlyjudson He's planning on stealing more from people... ok that makes sense. Just because *They" are rich doesn't mean those people deserve to have more of their wealth stolen from them. fullten Yes because the wealthy billionaires that steal and undervalue labor, and companies that scapegoat paying taxes are really hurting ohmygil why even bring up the national debt if you don't want people to pay taxes fullten I'm on the phone half asleep, but yeah, Thank you for real A hollowedskin I don't think OP understands what rich people are. Like they literally won't even notice the taxes. It will make no impact on the wealthy at all. You could take literally 50% of the income of the top 10% and they would have to make zero changes to their lifestyle. Money to them is just a high score. They whinge when you take them down a bit but it makes literally no difference because they're still winning the f------ game. E queercatmermaid They do actually 100% deserve to have their money taken. People are starving to death because we think disability payments shouldn't be enough to live on and minimum wage should be half of what you need to survive so yeah, I think millionaires and billionaires deserve to have a tiny f------ fraction of the money they could never spend in a f------ lifetime so I can f------ EAT AT ALL. hollowedskin I also don't think people understand actually how much a billion dollars is. Like. it's such an enormous number. We think of numbers that big like a set of stairs, a hundred, a thousand, ten thousand, a hundred thousand, a million, ten million, a hundred million, a billion. With each jump just being another step on the staircase and not realising HOW F------ HUGE each step is, and how vast the gap is between each of them. Aside from the fact that even a million dollars is far more than you need, a billion is disgusting excess. There is no conceivable way one person could justify needing a billion dollars when you know HOw MUCH that is. To put it in perspective: a million seconds is 11 and a half days a billion seconds is 31 years and 9 months. Another example would be Warren Buffett: He made SUS12.7 billion in 2013. That was his yearly income, not his total worth. Just his income for 2013. That's $37 million per day; $1,54 million per hour; $25,694 per minute How much do you get per hour? Is it enough to live on? the minimum wage in america is $15,080 per year That man makes more money per minute just for being alive, even in his sleep than most of you do in an entire year. also, just using seconds for reference again 15,080 seconds is just over hours. 12.7 billion seconds is 402 years and 4 months. phineaslightfoot Can someone please make a staircase graph with dollar amounts? I have discalcula and have a hard time conceptualizing numbers. I feel like that's a great analogy and would help me. hollowedskin Ok so I tried and the number differences broke the weird little graphing thing was using. Numbers 1150000000 1100000000 1050000000 1000000000 950000000 900000000 850000000 800000000 750000000 700000000 650000000 600000000 550000000 500000000 450000000 400000000 350000000 300000000 250000000 200000000 150000000 100000000 5Ø million 50000000 1 billion 1 million 1 thousand so here we have one thousand (1,000) not showing one million (1,000,000) at one pixel and one billlion (100,000,000) is the big pilon there. I added fifty million in to show because that graph goes in increments of 50 million. So how much is 50 million compared to a million though, it's only one pixel? Numbers 56000000 54000000 52000000 50000000 48000000 46000000 44000000 42000000 40000000 38000000 36000000 34000000 32000000 30000000 28000000 26000000 24000000 22000000 20000000 18000000 16000000 14000000 12000000 10000000 8000000 6000000 4000000 2000000 1 million 50 mil so smol. But still we're trying to get down to a thousand, (which is ten hundred-dollar-bills.) So what does a million look like compared to a thousand? Numbers 1150000 1100000 1050000 1000000 950000 900000 850000 800000 750000 700000 650000 600000 550000 500000 450000 400000 350000 300000 250000 200000 150000 100000 5,Ø thousand 50000 1 million 1 thousand oh. We broke it again. It will only go in 50 thousands. So we got to look at how big 50k is compared to our wad of hunjies. Numbers 56000 54000 52000 50000 48000 46000 44000 42000 40000 38000 36000 34000 32000 30000 28000 26000 24000 22000 20000 18000 16000 14000 12000 10000 8000 6000 4000 2000 1000 50000 ok. This is why i like using the seconds instead of graphs... But I won't give up here. the reason it's so so hard to process is because BILLION is an enormous number. there comes a point with numbers where we can't actually process them and its just like...a lot. And more than "a lot" is still "a lot". So we need visual representation. Lets use pennies (thanks megapenny) Imagine a penny. Just one. Ok, you get a thousand pennies a week, and you end up with 52 thousand in a year. If they were dollars that's a nice paying wage. with me? now this is a thousand pennies. this is 50 thousand pennies (1 square foot solid of pennies! ÇO00OL) It's roughly how many pennies you would have in a year if you got a thousand pennies a week. This is a million pennies And this is a billion pennies (Which is 5 schoolbuss sized blocks of solid pennies.) that is so many. The problem with numbers is that we see them written like this 100 1000 1000000 1000000000 And we kind of subconciously go "well... it's only increasing a little at a time, like a staircase. When the progression is more like 1. 10.. . 100..... 1000. ........ ...... ..... ....... .......... .......... ........................................................ .......... .......... .................... ........................................ .......... .......... .................... ........................................ ...... ........** And so on. which is not a staircase I want to climb because it starts off reasonable and then jumps to building size, then mountain size. We 'add a zero' which is confusing because it's timesing (x) not adding (+). to make ten thousand dots, I would copy all the dots in my thousand pile, and paste them ten times. to make hundred thousand, I would copy all the dots in my ten-thousand-dot pile and paste them ten times. thats what "times by ten" means. That's what adding a zero is, it's multiplying (x) the last number we had by ten. (i also say timesing: as in copy and pasting it ten times) try it with a word document and see how many pages it takes to get you a billion dots, and how many it takes for 15 thousand (minimum wage anual) hopefully this was at least somewhat useful. Anyway, the point is that if we imagine them as dollar coins, and one square block is established as good enough to live by a year, there's no reason one individual deserves 5 bus-worths. A phineaslightfoot Omg this is excellent! Thank you so much, that does really help! The pennies in particular Check out this awesome visual representation of how messed up our society is, everyone! soundlyawake I literally was about to google a visual representation of this and then THERE IT WAS IN THE POST nierfenhimer Seriously. It's time for people to wake the f--- up. I'm sick of the godsdamned wilful blindness. stappls We had this conversation in my sociology class. If you dont understand the wealth distribution in america, here you go This is what OP and America thinks it is INEQUALITY AMERICA Distribuțion that 92% of Americans Choose as IDEAL "THE MIDDLE CLAS What it actually is. Evaluate your life. Evaluate your income. This is why we need to take from the 1% The 1% makes so much money its off the grid. WEALTH INEQUALITY AMERICA ACTUAL Distribution of Wealth in the U.S. 20% 30% If you stack the 1% money next to eachother it would be like this WEALTH AMERICA ACTUAL Distribution of Wealth in the U.S. tiHitiHI HitiHIH HitHHIt iNHIHit HiiHiH HiHittit IHIAIE TEHitI HIAUA IAIittitI 20s 40% cos That 0% is your college students and people working fast food. Its below the poverty line. So taxing the 1% wont do s--- to him. isiwashere This post got so incredibly awesome l'm almost glad OP posted it in the first place-almost Source: mostlyjudson

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