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![Fire Emblem Fates-Soleil Foleo The support conversation is still completely changed from the original and it continus on that route. And from hair talk, we get to practice in the localization. It seems the original's humor was not to the liking of the locallzers and thought they could spice it up a bit more by replacing it and making any characterization present in the original disappear. It was either do or die, or rather, either characterization Soleil was meant to come to an accord with her inner feelings and her misunderstandings with Foleo besides showing how open she is with her feelings and behavior, which aren't present in the localization. Foleo is meant to not humor her misunderstandings and make a clear case about himself, besides showing some other feelings besides fear, rejection and outrage, that is, amiability which will soon turn https://karasucorps.wordpress.com/2016/04/14/fire-emblem-fates-support-conversation-foleo-x-a If you want to see all the documented Fire Emblem Fates changes, check this link: #Torrentia!Downpour A Suppo Translation Nintendo of America Ver Thanks again for fixing my hair Forrest! I still can't believe you get up this early ソレイユ? Foleo: S-Soleil? Youre not chasing me around Forrest: It's nothing. While my curls set, I mend 今日は追いかけてこないんですね and press my outfit. All this travel is hard on clothing! If you don't take care of things, they Solell:Foleo, you really..are a boy Soleil: I never thought about that before. 本当に男の子だったんだね Foleo: What? Forrest: I can tell....Now, let's see. I'm almost done with the back. You have a LOT of hair. So many girls would be jealous of your thick, shihy locks! Did you know that? Soleil: When I asked everyone they all said Seil: Really? みんな、 フォレオは男の子だって言うから… Forrest: Yes! I'm going to unpin this back You've finally come to understand. Thank the section and see how your curls are turning 僕は本当に男の子です! out. ...Oh dear っとわかってくれたんですね. 芯釓た。 Soleil: What's wrong? 残念すぎるよ." Foleo: Hehehe. You might say that, but there's Forrest: Nothing. nothing you can do about it. そう言われてもどうにもなりませんからね Soleil: Forrest! You just said, "Oh dear. That って自タの姿をよく見てよ。 ぱっちりした可愛い 抱きしめたくなるような華奢な体つき… You've got big, cute, wide eyes a delicate doesn't sound ike nothing! body that makes me want to squeeze you No matter how you look at it you look like a girl, don't you think? でしょ そう思われるのは構いませんけど それでもやっぱり僕は男の子なんです。 Foleo: I can't help it if others think like that .Forrest: Well, it's just...um... I didn't expect it to but I really am a boy after all is said and done. turn out quite so...frizzy Soleil: Yeah, I guess so matter what I do You are a boy, no Soleil: Huh? Let me see that mirror! If you hold he other one like so, I can see the back- ACK! 何がどうなっても男の子なんだもんね それじゃ 追いかける必要もないってことだからね That means I cant seduce you. and there's no Forrest! What did you do to me?! I look like after you これからは昔通のお付き合いをしましょうね. 男女の友だちとしてです。 Foleo: Let's just be friends, boy and girl. Let's have a normal relationship from nowon. Forrest: You look like a poodle! I'm SO sorry Soleil. I don't know what happened [ソレイユ] Soleil: Yeah For sorry, Foleo. Soleil: Well, I know what happened! You made me get up at dawn to look like this! you and chasing you 今まで追いかけ回しちゃっ Foleo: It's quite all right. We have solved the Forrest: I apologize. If I find you the right hat, it will be OK. Accessories make the look 誤解は解けたわけですから ああ これでやっと 普通にソレイユとお話しできますね。 Oh this means I'll fnally get to tak to you [ソレイユ] あたしと話せてうれしいの? Youre happy to Soleil: It's my fault. Im the one who dragged you into this. I should've left you and your super oute hair alone うふふ、 もちろんですよ。 Soleil: But I've done nothing but annoy you! And now, look at me! I better go shower Take ソレイユ? [ソレイユ] Soleil: Forrest, I can't use this! It's your expensive shampoo! Forrest: I want you to use it. If you can't have Foleo: W-what's the matter? Are you injured? curls, at least your hair will smell like roses どうかしたんですか? どこか苦しいんですか!? Soleil: I knew it. cute, youre cute Soleil: Aww Forrest: For what?! I made you look terrible! 男だってわかってても可愛いよ… さっきの笑顔なんて反則だもん。 Soleil: Even though I now know youre a boy, Soleil: It was really kind of you to help me, and youre still cute. I mean that last smile's so we had some good bonding time. Now that I cute it's practically against the rules think about it...it's sort of funny. Heeheehee! 男の子でも問題ない! 可愛いって気持ちに嘘はつけないよ! You may be a boy, but that's no problem! Feelings dont lie and theyre telling me youte 衷、 まさかこの展開は… Foleo: 0-oh my gods, not this.. Soleil: Yeah, that's it... no problem no problem Soleil: Haha! Good idea! Mwa ha ha mwa ha ha ha ha ha.. Foleo: T-There is a problem! A big problem!! Forrest: Wait up! Maybe you should borrow my Think about it. hat! とても問題ありますよ!! よく考えてください。 労の子を追いかけ回し ましてや頬ずりする女の子なんて とんだ恥さらしですよ! Rubbing her cheeks against him, did you think of the kind of embarrassment youre Soleil:Oh, it's much more embarrassing to 自分の気持ちに嘘をつく方が 恥ずかしいと思いませんか! you Foleo: No, not this time oh, that's it I just remember I have something I need to do. 今回ばかりは思いません 僕用事を思い出しました。 すみませんがこれで… [ソレイユ] ほら、いっぱい可愛がってあげるから! Dont run away Foleo! Look, Im going to make you my cute little pet! Foleo: Why must things be like this? うなっちゃうんですか!](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/107/168/327.png "Soleil x Foleo A support")
Soleil x Foleo A support
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![Fire Emblem Fates-Soleil Foleo As seen previously, the conversation is completely changed, instead of a confession from Foleo, we have a semi-non- friday Anyway, in the original, Foleo finally expresses his inner issues with how he thinks others see him, the localization misses that, actually, the localization misses any type of characterization, or at least, meaningful characterization. Soleil taks about her own preferences in romance and also shows a more embarrassed side which is usually absent from the really socially free Soleil. The localization talks about a bottle of shampoo. Oh and, it finally shows what they wanted to make Foleo become. If you've seen C, B and A, you'd know Foleo has some issues with his apperance in the original, the localization takes that out. Let that sink ih. If you want to see all the other documented Fire Emblem Fates changes, check this link: #Torrentia!Downpour S Suppo Translation Nintendo of America Ver Forrest: Hello, Soleil. Im sorry again about the hair debacle! You've looked so down ever since! I can make it up to you. I'd be happy to sew you like mine? Would that cheer you up? Soleil: That's really sweet of you, Forrest, but I that frown upside down," but sometimes that's Soleil:What's up with you, Foleo? YOU calling MY name. Will wonders never cease. don't think a cape will help. I always say,"Tun フォレオから声をかけてくれるなんて hard to do about you Do girls? har. I don't know ソレイユは 女の子が好きなんですよね? あはは 今更そんなことを聞くの? Soleil: Ahaha. You have to ask? Of course! I love cute girls! Soleil: Oh, that's not it! I'm bummed because you wont curls and I are hopeless! あたしは可愛い女の子が大好きだよ! 男の子じゃダメなんですか? Foleo: So you're not interested in boys? I mean Forrest: Why would you say that? There are other Soleil: I wouldnt say I'm not interested in them Soleil: Really? I thought someone super-cute like I mean, look there's no grace with guys, right? we could do besides har! [ソレイユ] 女の子の方が断然好きだよ。 だから、見てても盛り上がらないんだよね you would have tons of friends already So I don't get worked up when I look at them. Forrest: I have friends, but I've always got room やっぱりそうなんですか… Soleil: But I ove you My heart really gets going when I look at you and I just want to squeeze you ch so tight! Soleil: And what if I don't want to be your friend? でも、フォレオのことは好きだよ。 見ててきゅんき ゃんするし Foleo: Realy? You really think that of me? Forrest: Oh! well, in that case, I t be on my 本当にそう思ってくれているのですか? 僕は男なのにこんな見た目で… 気持ち悪いと思ったことはないんですか? boy, but I look lke this? Soleil: How could I ever think such a thing!! Soleil: No! Wait! I didn't mean it lke that. What if I want to be MORE than your friend? フォレオはとっても素敵だもん。 Why would I chase you around so much if you フォレオを悪く言う奴がいたら picking on you, I'1l give em what If for with my ソレイユ If that's true . then would you consider a それな 僕とお付き合いしてくれませんか? Soleil: You know that I have a thing for super cute girls, right? all? I love you. Forrest: Right..but you know that Im.. 僕はソレイユのことが好きなんです。 フォ· フォレオがあたしを好き! ? Soleil: Y-you love me? ご迷惑だったでしょうか? Forrest: Well, Soleil, I think youre pretty adorable ま、 まさかそんな No no Solell: Really? フォレオみたいな可愛い子に告白されて あたし、天にも昇るような気分で Forrest: Yes! You have so much energy. When you show up, you light up the whole room. I don't even mind all of the hair pulling and the Foleo: Soleil! Soleil: Wait a minute! You said I could borrow it 僕は真剣なんです 真剣に返事をして下さい Forrest: Im teasing! In fact, I have a gift for you I got you your very own bottle. ser Soleil: Youre right sorry. But, I ..just dont Soleil: What?! For me? You mean, I can smell like でも、あたし…わかんないよ あたしフォレオに好かれるようなこと I haven't done anything to make you love me いつも追いかけ回してただけなのに らですよ ソレイユは僕が男とか女とか Without worrying about whether I'm a boy ora too, you know girl You said you んな女性は他にはいません。 僕は あなたが好きなんです… There's no other lady lke that around. That's I love you. Soleil: Aww... Thanks, Forrest! You really know a girt feel special 返事を聞かせてください。 ソレイユ Soleil: D-Don't be so mean, Foleo Im the one [BLANK] |いつもはあたしか。説く方だったのに I love you too as a woman loves a man. フォレオが好きだよ 一人の男性として [フォレオ]本当ですか! Foleo: Realy? Soleil... that makes my day! れで僕たちは恋人同士ですね! [ソレイユ ちょっと…扌包きしめないでよフォレオ. Soleil: Aiie! Wait don't hug me, Foleo! どうしてですか? Foleo: Why? Youte always hugging me. Soleil: Being hugged is different from hugging! [BLANK] するのとされるのじゃ違うんだよ! Foleo: Well that's because youfe so cute and I [フォレオ]ソレイユが可愛いのがいけないんで すよ。それに, 自分の気持ちに嘘をつく方が 恥ずかしい ソレイユ言ってませんでしたっけ? Also, lying about what you feel is more embarrassing Isnt that you said, Solell? me レイユ]フォレオのいじわる Foleo: Ehehe. You can handle a little teasing. It's not as if I'm trying to embarrass you in front of BLANK] everyone. Im going to treasure you from now [フォレオ]うふふ·いじわるでいいですよ◇ 恥さらしにはなりたくありませんから。 今まで追いかけ回された分…これからは 僕があなたを可愛がっちゃいますからね。 逃がしませんよ. 僕の可愛いソレイユ。 as you used to chase me around. I wont let you get away, my cute little [ソレイユ] なんか Soleil: Oooh I dont know about this](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/list/001/107/169/eb8.png "Soleil x Foleo S support")
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![Fire Emblem Fates - Soleil x Foleo Just like the previous C conversation, this one was changed to a hair related talk again, only that this time, there's the addition of shampoo talk, wigs, hair pulling and the extreme length Foleo goes to make his hair into drills... The stereotype thickens The original was meant to continue the whole "chasing Foleo" debacle. Soleil shows her really open nature and tries to get to bathe with Foleo so she gets proof that he is really a boy, obviously, she still does not believe him and is asking to do that for her own pleasure https://karasucorps.wordpress.com/2016/04/09/fire-emblem-fates-support-conversation-foleo-x-soleil-b/ For every documented change in the Fire Emblem Fates localization, check this link: 49 #Torrential Down origi Translation Nintendo of America Ver. leil: Wait! Foleo Soleil: Oh, look! It's Forrest's bag. Hmm... Let me ま、待ちません お願いですから放っておいてください Foleo: I wont w-wait Please, let me go Forrest: Soleil! What are you doing?! Soleil: I could never let you get away from me! Soleil: Oh, uh...hi, Forrest! I was just searching I'm not going to do anything scary. Trust me for the secret to your super-cute hair....And I 可愛いフォレオを se me think I just found it! Aha! It wasn't a stave. It あたしを信じて身を任せてよ。 そ、そんなのウソです 猛獣が獲物を見るときの 目つきになってますから Foleo: I know that's a pack of lies You have that look in your eye, the look of ferocious beast when it finds its prey Forrest: That's not a potion. That's a bottle of a shampoo! Perhaps you've heard of it? Soleil: Well there's no helping the way things Soeil: No way! This stuff smells a-mazing-like フォレオが可愛いのがいけないんだから。 so cute, Foleo Forrest: You're right about the roses. It's very lease-put that back! [ソレイユ] あたし、フォレオみたいな 可愛い女の子が大好きなんだよね。 Soleil: Huh. It's regular shampoo? You're not washing your hair with magic? Then how do you get it like that?! *gasp* Oh! I just figured it out. Soleil: I really love cute girls like you Foleo Foleo: I don't know how many times I'm going Forrest: It is not fake! 何度も言いますけど… 僕は男の子ですよ! to have say this, but.. I AM A BOY Soleil: Again with that. I told you, there's no way Soleil: Can I touch your wig? Please?! Foleo: It's true! I really am a boy, Im tel こんなに可愛い男の子がいるわけないって。 なんです! Forrest: You may touch my hair, but I told you- it's NOT a wig! 本当に僕は男の子なんです! お願いですか,ユの期待には応えられません. Please, I'm begging you , give it up! あきらめてください。 、 [ソレイユ] Soleil: Wow. It's so silky. That's amazing! It feels real...if real hair could feel THAT soft! Foleo: What!? Y-you finally understand me? Forrest: Thank you, I think. Soleil?! What are わ、 わかってくれたんですか!? you doing?! Ow! Ow, ow, ow [ソレイユ] フォレオが男の子なら あたしのこの思いは諦めるよ。 だから 証明して. Soleil: If youre a boy, then I will give up on my Soleil: Whoa. Your wig is so firmly attached! How do you do that? 証明って…何をですか? Foleo: When you say, "prove it," . how? Forrest: They're called roots! フォレオが男の子だっていう証明だよ。 それをしてくれたら諦める。 Soleil: Give me some sort of proof that youte a Soleil: What?! This is your real hair?! I could've boy. If you do that for me, Ill relent. sworn it was a wig! Oh, Forrest. I'm so sorry. I tugged really hard just now. I bet that hurt! 証明と言われても どうすればいいかわかりません Foleo: You keep saying prove it know how I could do that but I dont Forrest: It did! But that's OK, Soleil. I forgive Soleil: Well then, I have a great idea. And if you Soleil: You do? なら、あたしにいい考えがあるんだよね。 それをすればちゃんと証明できるはず。 ou ve it to me な、 何をすればいいんですか? Foleo: Wh-what do I have to do? Forrest: Yes. I know you meant it as a Soleil: That's true. I did! I've never met anyone with such pretty hair before. I didn't think it was possible. ...Sometimes I wish I could have cute あたしと一緒にお風呂に入るの。 Forrest: Are you serious? But you have such Foleo: Wh-whaaaaat! That's totally out of the thick, gorgeous tresses! えええええ!? そんなの無理に決まってます! and you [ソレイユ] あたしはかまわないよ。 何も恥ずかしくないし。 Soleil: I dont care. There's nothing to be Soleil: Thanks, but I never do anything special to rass Forrest: Is that what this is all about? I'd be happy to teach you how to curl your hair rass ぼ、僕は恥ずかしいです! 絶対に無理ですよ! completely out of the question! Soleil: Hehehe Washing your cute little backSoleil: Really?! Awww! I'd love that! 可愛いフォレオと背中の流しっこ… Foleo: H-hell no re I just cant listen to you Forrest: Great! It will only take a few hours, so だ、ダメですね もう、何も聞こえてません… ve [ソレイユ] さ、一緒にお風呂に入ろう! 女の子同士、仲良くさ! Soleil: Come now, let's go bathe together! As two friendly girls! Soleil: WHAT?! You get up at five just to do Foleo: Oooh .. and in the end, nothing changes Forrest: Yep! Beauty like this takes time! I'll see 結局、 何も変わらないんですね](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/107/167/8c5.png "Soleil x Foleo B support")
![Fire Emblem Fates - Soleil x Foleo The whole conversation was changed. Originally, Soleil let go of any semblance of human rationale and let her obsession of "cute girls" get to her, thus starting a chase on Foleo, because he's androgynous (looks like a girl) and in her words, "cute In the localization, this was changed in a conversation about hair styles There's no more mention of Foleo's sex and there's no more mention of Soleil's obsession with cute girls (which is odd since the localizers made sure to take that up a notch: http://i.imgur.com/aKZvXfa.png by making her a lesbian) Foleo's changes can't be clearly seen only in this conversation, but in general, his interest in fashion was exaggerated and was made to include other "feminine" interests. He was mostly made into a stereotype and a one dimensional character. https://karasucorps.wordpress.com/2016/04/08/fire-emblem-fates-support-conversation-foleo-x-soleil-c/ You can see the rest of the documented Fire Emblem Fates changes, here http://imgur.com/a/X2w49 #Torrentia!Downpour Original Translation Nintendo of America Ver フォレオ こ、ここに隠れていれば 安全なはずです Foleo: I-it should be safe if I hide here Forrest: Oh no! My glove-it's blowing away! ソレイユ フォレオ、見づ Soleil: Foleo, I found yoooouuu! Soleil: I've got it! Here you go,cutie オ Forrest: Thank you! I stopped for tea, but I can't believe how windy it is! ...Uh, Soleil? Why are you staring like that? It's my hair, isn't it? Ugh! I knew it. The wind's ruined me! きゃ、 きゃあぁあぁぁ! Foleo: Aiiieeee! [ソレイユ] ああん! なんて可愛いのフォレオ! もう、あたしの好みど真ん中すぎ! Soleil: Oooh! Foleo, you're so cute! You're just my type The second I saw you, I was done for! Soleil: Your hair's fine! Actually, it's more than fine. I've been meaning to ask you... How DO you get those adorable curls? They're too cute! 目見ただけでやられちゃつたよ! オ お、お願いです 乱暴しないでください. Forrest: Oh, well, thank you. It's easy! While my hair is wet, I pin each section into place. Once my hair dries--instant ringlets! Foleo: P-please don't hurt me こんなに可愛い女の子に あたしが乱暴するわけないよ。 だから、ほら、こっちにきて いいこいいこしてあげるから Soei: I could never hurt such a cute girl So, come on, come here .. I'1l pet you like my own little baby.. Soleil: No! オ Foleo: E-eeek! I-I'm a boy! Forrest: Yes! ぼ、 僕は男の子です! [ソレイユ] 何をバカなことを… こんなに可愛い男の子がいるわけないよ。 もうダメ…我慢できない Soleil: What kind of stupid nonsense are you rambling on about there's no way a boy could Soleil: Haha, nice try! You use some kind of ever be this cute Oh it's just no good I can't contain myself .. ohohohohoho magic on your hair. That's cool. Heehee! VJVJVJ,小小 オ Foleo: I-Ive got to escape aaaauuugh! Forrest: I do not! に、逃げなきゃ うわあああああああ! [ソレイユ] あ、待ってよ、フォレオ! 絶対に逃がさないから Soleil: Oh wait, Foleo! I'll never let you get away Soleil: Don't freak out! I won't tell anyone! I from me! knew it! No one has hair THAT cute. You've got a special stave just for hairdos. Will you show me sometime? Please?! [BLANK] [BLANK] Forrest: *sigh* Soleil, I told you! I am not using magi Soleil: Cool. I'll stop by later. kI will be our little secret! BLANK BLANK](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/107/164/e93.png "Soleil x Foleo C support")
![Fire Emblem Fates - Leon x Marx "But enough brotherly bonding Let's talk strategy."一https://youtu.be/OMTzJemh08 There wasn't much they could have changed here to place it in the same context as C and B. So instead, they've changed the lines in which he shows some confidence, to further push and exaggerate both his competitive side and his arrogance. The last line that is present only in the localization sounds like some kind of joke or parody https://karasucorps.wordpress.com/2016/04/03/fire-emblem-fates-support-conversation- leon-x-marx-a/ #Torrentia!Downpour Significant A Support Alterations Translation Original Nintendo of America Ver. [レオン] Leon: I... I can 't believe that Leo: I.. .I don't know what to believe そんな そんなこと信じられないよ。 [マークス] これは嘘偽りのない本当のことだ。 お前は私に対して 気後れすることなど何一つない。 軍議でも堂々と意見してくれ。 そうしてくれたほうが我々のためになる。 Marx: It is neither lie, nor falsehood, but the truth There's no reason for you to feel like youre behind me So shout out your opinions in the war council. your mind boldly in our war meetings, for the That would be best for us all Xander: I have only spoken the truth, Leo. In your heart, you must know that. I value you more than you know. So there's no reason to be shy around me, is there? I implore you to speak benefit of us all [レオン] Leon: Leo: As you wish, Xander. From now on, no I understand From now on, I'm going to be more proactive. better watch yourself, or I may be nipping at To the point that you view me as a threat! more holding back my opinions. In fact, you わかったよ。 これからはもっと積極的に行く 兄さんが僕を脅威に思うほどにね。 your heels again soon [マーク지 Marx: Heh, those are reassuring words. I'll be Xander: Ha! I dearly hope so. I'm proud of you, depending on you, Leon ふっ、頼もしい発言だ。 頼りにしているぞ、レオン。 Leo [BLANK] Leo: Thanks, Xander. But enough brotherly bonding... Let's talk strategy! [BLANK]](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/102/990/3ab.png "Leo x Xander A conversation significant changes")
![Fire Emblem Fates - Leon x Marx The first few lines remain the same, until the support starts delving into the motivations of the characters. While both situations talk about the war meeting (professional context) Xander engages Leo less formally and does not remind Leo of his "noblesse oblige" in the original. Xander is the type that mixes formal and informal speech, basically, he's not as stuck up as he seems in the localization, instead, his speech is sometimes formal, sometimes not, depending on the situation and with whom he speaks Leo's really angry outburst is also not present in the original (and in this context, Xander is more surprised by Leon's words), he tries to hide his problem because he's uncertain and feels that he can't measure up, so instead of anger, he's more depressed and closed in more than anything("Nante ne"/"なんてね" to "I'm kidding" or "just kidding" to hide it), which is why his change to an arrogant and dismissive character changes the context of the scene dramatically. https://karasucorps.wordpress.com/2016/04/03/fire-emblem-fates-support-conversation- leon-X-marx-c #Torrentia!Downpour C Support Translation Original Nintendo of America Ver. [マーク지 Marx: Leon. Do you have a minute? We need to Xander: Leo. Do you have a moment? I wish to talk about the war council the other day レオン。少しいいか。 この間の軍議のことで話がある。 speak with you about the last war meeting [レオン] Leon: About the war council? Leo: The war meeting? Whatever about? ō我 マークス お前は挙手をして意見を出そうとしたが 結局は何も言わずにやめてしまっていた。 あれはどういうことだ。 Marx: You raised your hand and were about to Xander: I saw you raise your hand as if you were | say something, but by the end, you stopped without saying anything What was that all about? | about to give your opinion on something. But then you lowered it without a word... Leon: Oh, that... Leo: Ah. Well... That was あれは Marx: If youre not pleased with my direction, I'd Xander: If you take issue with what I'm have you give me your personal suggestions without reserve [マーク지 もし、 お 私の方針が気に入らないなら リの案をちゃんと出すべき proposing, you should not hesitate to speak up You are a prince of Nohr, Leo. It is your royal duty to do so Leon: It would be meaningless if I did Leo: I suppose...though there would have been no point in speaking up ,出したところで意味ないよ。 マークス Marx: What are you saying? Xander: How so? だって、軍議の方針は マークス兄さんが出したものだろ。 マークス兄さんの方針の前では Leon: I mean the direction of the war council is Leo: *sigh* Because you're the crown prince something you, my big brother decide In front of that, my suggestions are just Xander. You alone decide what we do. And with the great Xander at the helm, my ideas are like those of a child. So what's the point of speaking Uu マークス 意見を言う前に尻込みをしてどうする。 私だったらそんなことで Marx: What are you doing sitting on your ass Xander: What's the point of remaining silent? If I feeling sorry for yourself for giving an opinion. I were in your shoes, I would would not be intimidated by such things Leon: Im different from you, brother. Leo: That's just it, Xander! I'm NOT you! 僕とマークス兄さんは違うんだ マークス Marx: !! Xander: !! なんてね でめんよ、マークス兄さん。 悪いのは僕だ。 今度から気をつけるよ。 Leon: I'm kidding! Sorry, Marx That's my bad. Ill keep that in mind from now on Leo: ...I'm sorry, Brother. Please forgive my outburst. I beg of you to let this go. It's all my fault, as ever. I promise to make you proud next ime マークス Marx: Leon Xander: Leo レオン](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/102/988/e37.png "Leo x Xander C conversation")
![Fire Emblem Fates - Lazwald x Luna Lazwald's change to being an "annoyance" is now part of his character in the S support, changing his way of approaching Selena again, taking away from the purpose of the conversation. Most likely because they had to put something in there after they ve already changed Lazwald's character in the t string Odin's insertion is another reminder of discontinuity in the conversations not being fixed properly There are various other lines that were altered or cut to change their interactions and character. For example, Selena doesn't show her less rough side of her character, every mention of it has been cut out or altered in the localization, embarrassment and bashfulness seem to be a target for alteration for whatever reason. As usual, romance, nuance and depth have been shred apart (and probably in this case because they wanted to fit Selena completely in the "Tsundere" character trope without having her also resort to physical violence) #Torrential Downpour S Support Translation Nintendo of America Ver. [ラズワルド] Lazwald: Luna, I have a gift for you today! Laslow: Selena, my darling! I have a gift for you 今日は君に贈り物があるんだ。 Luna: Lazwald what's with you all of a Selena: Hm? For me? ラズワルド [ラズワルドしたっ(いうの? Lazwald: It's this bracelet. I wonder if youll Laslow: Ta-da! It's a bracelet! この腕輪なんだけど… 受け取ってもらえないかな? Luna: !! That .. .b-bracelet Selena: Laslow! Is that...? [ラズワルド] Lazwald: I've always kept it safe, so that I might Laslow: Indeed it is. I've been keeping it one いつか君に渡せるようにって ずっと大切にしまっておいたんだ。 Luna: B-but, why now . why give it to me Selena: But...why are you giving this to me now? で、でも、どうして今 それをあたしにくれるの? [ラズワルド] Lazwald: Ahaha! Why do you think? Laslow: Why do you think I am? あはは なんでだと思う? き、聞いてるのはあたしよ! 早く理由を教えなさいよ! Luna: Im the one asking the questions here! Sena: I'm the one asking the questions here! Tell me why youre doing this, right now Lazwald: Okay well I thought about it a lot Laslow: Fine, fine. You're no fun! I decided to After all that thought, I came to the conclusion give it to you because...well... It's a symbol of that I love you. I want to be with you foreve our everlasting friendship! よく考えたんだけどさ 僕はやっぱり、ルーナが好きだよ。 Selena [ラズワルド] Laslow: Because we I thought it would be nice for you to have a keepsake lke this. It's to remind you that I'll always be here for you. give you this So brace レーナに渡したいなって思ったんだよ。 Luna: I got that part of it! You really thought you wanted to be together my side forever Selena: Yeah, yeah, I get it. You want to be by そ、それはわかってるわよ! あんたはあたしと すっと一緒にいたいって思ったのよね? ラズワルト] Luna: So you've got the bracelet . that you Selena: So...everlasting friendship, huh? Did you その腕輪を… それで、 あたし me give something to Odin too, then? Or...is there What I mean to say is come on..dont you something else you'd like to say? have something else to tell me? 何か他にも言うことがあるんじゃない? [ラズワルド] Lazwald: I dont know? What could you possibly Laslow: Something else? Like what? alking Luna: Erg, I just can't stand it anymore! Why are Selena: Do you really have to be so thickheaded? so なんでこんなににぶいのよ! [ラズワルド] Laslow: Im sorry! I was just kidding あはは Luna: What's a j-joke? Selena: Kidding?! [ラズワルド] Lazwald: I do love you. Consider this bracelet Laslow: I do have something else to say to you. my vow of love to you. 僕は君を愛してる この腕輪はそれを誓う腕輪だよ。 I love you. And this bracelet is a token of my love. And to answer your other question, no, I did not give anything to Odin Selena: Go on. Lazwald: So can you see it in your heart to Laslow: Please, Selena... Will you marry me? 僕と結婚してくれないかな? Luna: Finally! Why dont you just say it honestly Selena: Finally! There it is! Took you long 最初から素直にそう言ってよね! [ラズワルド] Lazwald: Well will you tell me your answer? Laslow: So, um... Do you have an answer for me? それで レーナの返事を聞いてもいいかな? Selena: Oh. Right. I guess it's my turn. I mean, Luna: I-I.. what could I say it's We've known each for so long, y-you know what we've known each other so long... Do I really my answer is without me even saying it! なんていうか その 言わなくたってわかってるでしょ!? [ラズワルド] Lazwald: Nope. Dont know. Not if you dont tell Laslow: Yes. You do me [ ルー Selena: Come on! Don't be cruel. You know how Despite the fact that you know very well .. what I feel あたしの気持ちなんて… わかりきってるくせに are [ラズワルド] Lazwald: aha, come on, let me hear it. I can't | Laslow: Haha, so then say it already! あはは Selena: .. OK. Um...look, Laslow. I really like I-I . love you .too... I always have.I always will, no matter where we end up .I love you. あんたのことが好き 今までも ,すきょ. ラズワルト Luna: So I guess I have nothing better to do Selena: Ugh, fine. Look, I love you! I love you, Laslow 仕方ないから結婚してあげるわ! Lazwald: Thank you ! With this promise, Laslow: Splendid! And will you share your life never be torn apart from each other これで僕たちは…一生離れられないね。 そ、そうよ…幸せにしなかったら 許さないんだから Luna: W-well said .. but I'm warning you, if Selena: Yes! But if you mess this up, I will end you don't make me happy, you'll never hear the you. Understand? end of it [ラズワルド] Lazwald: I know, I know. I'll definitely make you Laslow: Understood. I am yours forever, my love 絶対しあわせにするよ、 お姫様! Selena: So…you know this means you can't be Laslow Selena Laslow: Just kidding! Of course I know that! I promise to devote from here on out. Selena: You better! Oh, and I'll do the same](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/masonry/001/097/430/c84.png "Lazwald x Selena S support")
![Fire Emblem Fates - Lazwald x Luna Here it's more apparent why the cut line in the C conversation takes away a lot of meaning behind their discussion of their previous home, there's also an odd insertion of "Odin" in this conversation this just confuses the reader more because of the lack of mention of their "previous home". Selena continues to suffer from having her character being exaggerated and putting Lazwald down some more. The original Selena is still giving him more space to breathe instead Lazwald is also no longer portrayed as being oblivious and lacking self-awareness, but as an #Torrential Downpour origi Translation Nintendo of America Ver. ズワルド : What do you want, Luna: Lazwald Lazwald: You totally got me the last time I thought I was going to die to fromm ラズワルド [ラズワルド] aslow: Oh, thank goodness! Youre back to もう この前は参ったよ。 あんなに見つめられて 恥ずかしくて死ぬかと思っちゃつた。 your old grumpy self. I was worried you were going to give me the flirty treatment again. I don't think I've ever been so mortified in my life embarrassment if you stared at me like that any Selena: Oh, yeah. Maybe I shouldn't have gone quite so far. You're not THAT bad... I just wanted you to know what it's like. I'm sorry Luna: Y-yeah well about that .. I'm sorry got this downtrodden look Laslow: Eh? Did you just...apologize? Without ou me It's not like you to just me WI ekly apologize some water ナが素直に謝るなんて are you coming 熱でもあるの? Luna: What! How rude! Ive no fever! It's just maybe I've been thinking about old Selena: What? No, I don't have a fever! I was just thinking about...old times はあ!? 失礼ね! 熱なんかないわよ!! 昔のことを思い出してたっていうか [ラズワルド] Lazwald: I guess remembering the world e slow: Ah.I see. Feeling lonely, then? I get came from has put you in a somber mood? that way too. It's hard being so far from home 元の世界を思い出して 寂しくなっちゃつた感じなのかな? Luna: I-I'm not in a somber mood! But now that Selena: I'm not lonely! But...yeah. I miss it.I you mention our world … It's been such a long time since our rightful あ、あたしは寂しくなんかないわ! 元の世界って言 あたしたちの本当の居場所なんて とっくの昔に無くなっちゃつた it now. No point in whining lace, if you can call it that, was taken from us There's no point in bringing it up now. I'm だから今さら何とも思わないわ。 fine it doesn't bother me at all Laslow: Selena... I won't tell you youre wrong We both know we can't go back. Not yet. But...I I guess if you think about it, we've come a longthink about it every day. What if everything went wa まぁ、 考えてみれば もんね 僕もたまに思い出すん 僕たちの生まれた世界のこと No matter how much we fight here, were never もう取り戻せないの( 今でもやっぱり、考えちゃうんだよね。 now, I1l think of it. About how great it Luna: Lazwald [ラズワルド] なんてね とにかく僕が言いたかったのは… ルーナが寂しくなる気持ちは 僕にもわかるなーってこと! Lazwald: Dont look at me like that. Look, what I Laslow: I guess...what I mean to say is, I know want to say is I understand how you feel when you get that loneliness you're feeling too well. I feel it Selena: I already told you! I'm not feeling lonely! あたしは別に寂しくなんてないわ! [ラズワルド1,- Laslow: Haha. Sorry, sorry! My mistake wa あはは ごめんごめん a Selena: Well, er, I mean...maybe there are times I feel a little lonely, now and then, but. Luna: C-certainly there are times when I feel little tiny bit homesick, but Lazwald: But what? Luna: I guess youre here with me ほんの少しだけ寂しくなるときもあるけど [ラズワルド] あるけど? maybe Selena: Well, I have you, at least. And Odin. So completely 孤独って感じではないかも Lazwald: That's the spirit. I'll stick with you は僕がついてるよ。 come on, put on your usual smile! Smile! Luna: W-whenever Im with you, I'm more likely Selena: True...though I'm not sure how cheery I あ、あんたと一緒にいるときは 笑ってるより怒ってることの方が多いわよ! to be enraged than smiling! Lazwald: Ahaha! It has always been that wa Hey, if it's worth anything to you, I1l always be Ill be by your side anytime you need me Luna: D-dont get the wrong idea! It's just my should be if you're my only link to home Laslow: Haha! Now that's the Selena we all know and love! Well, either way, I want you to know まぁ、僕でよければ いつでもルーナの側にいてあげるからね。 otten luck that fate has saddled me with you! had any choice in the matter あんたとはただの腐れ縁なんだから! e with fate, but it has you need something, you can confide in me a way of surprising us mere mortals. Particularly 腐れ縁でも縁は縁だよ。 つでも言って。 when it comes to matters of the heart. Luna: H-hmph! The way you get all pumped up Selena: Are you really flirting with me at a time ou But... yeah thanks. You cheered me up just a little bit. that's my lot in life, eh? Thank you, Laslow. For ちょっとだけ 元気出たわ。 Lazwald: Cool, no problem どういたしまして。](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/097/429/e63.png "Lazwald x Selena A support")
![Fire Emblem Fates - Lazwald x Luna There's a lot of additional fluff which is impossible to reproduce for the type of character that Selena is, which is why the original chose an implied seductive stare (or ust have Lazwald show his actually shy and awkward side because Selena's attentive stare is getting to him, since it's translated as an "intense stare") Like every time it happened before, these conversations lose a lot of nuance and depth again. Selena in the localization sounds like she's angry with him just pestering other girls and hurting their feelings (Selena: I don't care what your intentions are! It's not your intentions that matter. It's how the other person feels. Do you get it yet?), while in the original, she's angry because she's giving them attention instead of her, which is what is implied in the original (and later on in the next support conversations). Selena is talking about herself when mentioning "other women" (e.g. when she mentions that it's embarrassing, when she mentions that Lazwald plays with women's hearts, etc) Lazwald becomes oblivious again, instead of accepting his "problem" (this is because of extra additions in the localization), he suddenly has no self-awareness again Besides the conversation having the same issue like some Camilla, Aqua and Nyx ones. See http:// imgur.com/x9xorBP http://imgur.com/NNjBkZd http://imgur.com/brcyRvK for reference #Torrential Downpour B Suppo Translation Nintendo of America Ver ズワルト Lazwald: Hey, Luna. Looking cute as ever today! Laslow: Selena, my dove! My tired eyes are rejuvenated by the s 今日も可愛いね! Luna: Lazwald you never learn, do you? You do know that if you keep saying whatever know, someday people are going to get sick of comes to mind like that, one day people are just all this empty flattery of yours going to stop listening to anything you say? Selena: Ugh. You never learn, do you ? You ラズワルド あんたも懲りないわね。 そうやって調子のいいこと言ってると そのうち、誰にも相手にされなくなるわよ? ワル{3,0 Lazwald: What are you talking about? Al I ever Laslow: What are you talking about? I speak do is speak from the heart. y true feelings 僕は常に本心しか語らないよ。 Luna: Is that so? From the heart, huh? Selena: Really. Your true feelings, huh? [ラズワルド] Lazwald: I really do think youre cute, Luna, is Laslow: Just so! For example, I truly feel that you are the very image of loveliness 僕は本当に ルーナのことを可愛いと思っているんだよ? Luna: Unfortunately for you, no matter what you Selena: You know what? No. This time I'm not sa 残念だけど、 あんたにそんなこと言われても あたしはもう うろたえたりしないんだから! むしろ逆に、あたしがあんたを うろたえさせてあげるわ! going to just get upset. Nope..I'm going to give It's not going to get me freaked out or flustered you a taste of your own medicine... Loverboy! In fact, Im going to do it to youu! Lazwald: Y-youre going to freak me out? ぼ、僕をうろたえさせる? re Lazwald: Luna? W-why are you staring at me Laslow: S-Selena? What are you doing? な、 何で僕を見つめるのさ? Selena: Mmm-hmm. Momma thinks you'll do juuust fine. Let me feel those arms! Woo! Shivers! A big hunk like you is just what the healer ordered Lazwald: S-stop it, Luna.. that's incredibly embarrassing If you keep looking at me like that... I, I feel like my face is going to burst into flames Laslow: Stop it, Selena.. Please.. No! Stop! や、やめてよルーナ すごく 恥ずかしいよ… これ以上見つめられたら 僕、本当に顔から火が出ちゃうよ Selena: Aw, you're adorable when you're embarrassed, Lazzy. Me likey let's go get some tea, baby. I promise it'lI [ラズワルド] Lazwald: P-please . no more .. stop it already Laslow: P-please...no...more... Youre making me very uncomfortable, Selena! これ以上は もう止めて lunk? Gods, I can't believe I just did that.I Lazwald: Jeez, d-did you have to put it on full Laslow: Ah...is it really that bad when I flirt? I never meant to make a Luna: Consider this your punishment! Selena: Do you get it now? Throwing out al r going around and seducing for playing 無闇に女の子を口説いて回り those empty compliments isn't nice. And even if たずらに女心をかき乱している罰よ ! sideration they were welcome, you can't just play with around with women's hearts like it's some kind people's hearts like that! Lazwald: I-I never meant to do anything like Laslow: But that was never my intention Luna: A woman's heart is a pure and delicate thing not to be trifled with! Whether you planned to do it or not is elena: I don't care what your intentions a not your intentions that matter. It's how the とても繊細で純 なものなのよ! it ou see now You t to feel all that shame a dose of your own あんたもとくと味わえばいいのよ! 挨拶ついでに口説かれて 恥ずかしい思いをした子たちの気持ちをね! medicine! Now you know what it feels like when all those | girls get embarrassed by your flirtatio Laslow: OK! I'm sorry! I'll probably think about flirting do me the honor of helping me learn how. Over tea Lazwald: A-aahhow embarrassing . do ああああ..恥ずかし そんなに見つめないでよ…ルーナ BLANK] BLANK] im BLANK] BLANK] Laslow: Selena? Hey, I was just teasing! Come](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/097/428/b5d.png "Lazwald x Selena B support")
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Fire Emblem Fates Localization Controversy - Soleil x Foleo A support
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![Fire Emblem Fates - Leon x Marx The first few lines remain the same, until the support starts delving into the motivations of the characters. While both situations talk about the war meeting (professional context) Xander engages Leo less formally and does not remind Leo of his "noblesse oblige" in the original. Xander is the type that mixes formal and informal speech, basically, he's not as stuck up as he seems in the localization, instead, his speech is sometimes formal, sometimes not, depending on the situation and with whom he speaks Leo's really angry outburst is also not present in the original (and in this context, Xander is more surprised by Leon's words), he tries to hide his problem because he's uncertain and feels that he can't measure up, so instead of anger, he's more depressed and closed in more than anything("Nante ne"/"なんてね" to "I'm kidding" or "just kidding" to hide it), which is why his change to an arrogant and dismissive character changes the context of the scene dramatically. https://karasucorps.wordpress.com/2016/04/03/fire-emblem-fates-support-conversation- leon-X-marx-c #Torrentia!Downpour C Support Translation Original Nintendo of America Ver. [マーク지 Marx: Leon. Do you have a minute? We need to Xander: Leo. Do you have a moment? I wish to talk about the war council the other day レオン。少しいいか。 この間の軍議のことで話がある。 speak with you about the last war meeting [レオン] Leon: About the war council? Leo: The war meeting? Whatever about? ō我 マークス お前は挙手をして意見を出そうとしたが 結局は何も言わずにやめてしまっていた。 あれはどういうことだ。 Marx: You raised your hand and were about to Xander: I saw you raise your hand as if you were | say something, but by the end, you stopped without saying anything What was that all about? | about to give your opinion on something. But then you lowered it without a word... Leon: Oh, that... Leo: Ah. Well... That was あれは Marx: If youre not pleased with my direction, I'd Xander: If you take issue with what I'm have you give me your personal suggestions without reserve [マーク지 もし、 お 私の方針が気に入らないなら リの案をちゃんと出すべき proposing, you should not hesitate to speak up You are a prince of Nohr, Leo. It is your royal duty to do so Leon: It would be meaningless if I did Leo: I suppose...though there would have been no point in speaking up ,出したところで意味ないよ。 マークス Marx: What are you saying? Xander: How so? だって、軍議の方針は マークス兄さんが出したものだろ。 マークス兄さんの方針の前では Leon: I mean the direction of the war council is Leo: *sigh* Because you're the crown prince something you, my big brother decide In front of that, my suggestions are just Xander. You alone decide what we do. And with the great Xander at the helm, my ideas are like those of a child. So what's the point of speaking Uu マークス 意見を言う前に尻込みをしてどうする。 私だったらそんなことで Marx: What are you doing sitting on your ass Xander: What's the point of remaining silent? If I feeling sorry for yourself for giving an opinion. I were in your shoes, I would would not be intimidated by such things Leon: Im different from you, brother. Leo: That's just it, Xander! I'm NOT you! 僕とマークス兄さんは違うんだ マークス Marx: !! Xander: !! なんてね でめんよ、マークス兄さん。 悪いのは僕だ。 今度から気をつけるよ。 Leon: I'm kidding! Sorry, Marx That's my bad. Ill keep that in mind from now on Leo: ...I'm sorry, Brother. Please forgive my outburst. I beg of you to let this go. It's all my fault, as ever. I promise to make you proud next ime マークス Marx: Leon Xander: Leo レオン](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/list/001/102/988/e37.png "Leo x Xander C conversation")
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