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What are we supposed to do about the refugees?

Last posted Dec 23, 2015 at 01:42PM EST. Added Aug 20, 2015 at 03:47PM EDT
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DHS confirms 8 Syrians taken into custody trying to cross border at Laredo

Six Syrians with stolen Greek passports detained in Honduras trying to cross the US border

NYC Syrian community leader: ISIS is already in America

{ A leader of New York City’s Syrian community told The Post on Wednesday that ISIS terrorists have “absolutely” sneaked into America by posing as civil-war refugees -- and joined sleeper cells just waiting to be activated.

Succar, a member of the Bay Ridge Community Council, said corruption in his homeland is so rampant that anyone could easily pay bribes and obtain official identification papers bearing a fake name to disguise their real identity.

“You can go to the Syrian government today and say to them, ‘I need a piece of paper that says I’m Tony Caterpillar.’ And they give it to you,” he said.

“These are not forged documents. These are written out by a government employee who needs money, whose family has no food.”

Succar, 57, who immigrated to the United States when he was 10, also noted that “Third World countries, particularly places like Syria, do not have the network of information the United States has.”

“In Syria, there’s no such thing. So when they tell you that [the refugees] are vetted, are you out of your mind?” he said. }

Huge batch of updates.

French police confirm at least two terrorists took the migrant route. Samy Amimour, one of the Bataclan killers and the subject of an international arrest warrant returned from Syria to Belgium "in all likelihood via Greece".

French and EU intelligence has boosted surveillance of communications in migrant transit camps and say they hope to make tighter controls at migrant hotspots, but admit "many migrants will continue to circumvent these".

The French interior minister concedes that Abaaoud was likely using the migrant route to avoid capture since he was also evading an international arrest warrant and had been sentenced to 20 years in jail in Belgium. No intelligence officials from any country knew he was in Paris, everyone thought he was in Syria. He is confirmed to have been behind four of six foiled terrorist attacks in France since the spring.

The man accused of making the suicide belts for the terrorist cells has turned himself in to police. Explosives and detonators were found in his home.

inb4 he swallowed some bombs and blows himself up inside the jail.
Then we'd really be in an episode of 24.


Obama now taking heat from both sides as he vows to veto a bill in Congress that adds an additional layer of scrutiny to refugees from Syria and Iraq without preventing or limiting the number taken in.

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The mastermind behind the attack, Europe's most wanted terrorist, subject of international arrest warrants and on the most elite watch lists, Abdelhamid Abaaoud was questioned by German police on January 20th, 2014 in the Cologne-Bonn airport where he told them he wanted to visit family in Turkey and would then return to Europe. He was then allowed to go.

The German Interior Ministry has no comment at this time.

lisalombs wrote:

The mastermind behind the attack, Europe's most wanted terrorist, subject of international arrest warrants and on the most elite watch lists, Abdelhamid Abaaoud was questioned by German police on January 20th, 2014 in the Cologne-Bonn airport where he told them he wanted to visit family in Turkey and would then return to Europe. He was then allowed to go.

The German Interior Ministry has no comment at this time.

His head is going to roll for sure,


Lisa, Obama does not care anymore he will veto that thing as long they keep trying to pass it.

So with syria able to produce papers for people on demand, how exactly would an additional layer of scrutiny help? What exactly do you suggest people do? Ask them for their license and registration, which all of them could probably provide real-or-faked?

It allows security forces to investigate and see if the only paperwork detailing someone's existence is a newly made passport. Like an officially filed birth certificate, which they do issue in Syria, which is far less likely to be faked because they're not issued by the same people who issue passports.


Let him veto it, let him veto it over and over and over. France learned their lesson, they're taking it seriously. How many people will have to die in the USA before Obama does the same?


CBP confirms 5 men from Pakistan and 1 man from Afghanistan were detained trying to cross the southern border from Mexico. They were transferred to Tuscon before border control could interview them and the matter was taken over by the FBI.

Now all these agencies are getting mad, officers are confirming to the media what they used to "no comment" before. Awful lot of people from the Middle East turning up in Central America at our border these days, apparently.

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EU interior ministers to announce tomorrow at a summit in Brussels that for the first time all migrants and tourists will be screened against a terrorist watch list.

They are also expected to bow to French demands to screen every single EU passport holder entering the continent.


{ Europol admitted on Thursday that only 2,000 of the estimated 5,000 known extremists who have traveled to Syria and Iraq to wage jihad have been logged on an EU-wide intelligence sharing database used by Britain and other states to track foreign fighters and disrupt plots.

"We are only confident we have 2,000 names in the system, even though the general assessment across Europe is that there are at least 5,000 European nationals who have traveled to Iraq and Syria," director of Europol Rob Wainwright told a committee of MEPs, adding it was "not at an optimum level." }


Manuel Valls, the French PM, and USA intelligence officials warn that ISIS has been funding research and development of biological and chemical weapons as their caliphate territory expanded to include labs and medical centers in major cities. They have so far used mustard gas on the Kurds fighting them in the area.


Details emerge about female suicide bomber.

{ Born in Clichy-la-Garenne in the Hauts-de-Seine on the outskirts of France on 12 August 1989, of Moroccan parents who had come to France in 1973, Aitboulahcen was young when her parents separated.

Neighbours in Creutzwald said they had not seen Aitboulahcen for at least five years but said back then she was “extrovert”, “bubbly” and a “bit lost”. She liked to wear a large hat, leading to her nickname “the cowgirl”.

“She didn’t look like a suicide bomber and she drank alochol,” one of her young neighbours at the Impasse du Dauphin told the local newspaper Le Républicain Lorrain. “We saw her quite often and we called her the cowgirl because she always wore a large hat.”

Another neighbour in Paris said she was a “tomboy” who dressed in jeans, trainers and a black hat until she began wearing a niqab eight months ago. }

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The House easily passed the bill Obama threatened to veto by the 2/3 majority needed to override it.

{ Forty-seven Democrats joined all but two Republicans as the House passed the measure by a veto-proof 289-137 margin, a major setback to the lame duck president on an issue -the Islamic State group and the refugees fleeing it – that shows no signs of easing. The vote exceeded the two-thirds majority required to override a veto, and came despite a rushed, early morning visit to the Capitol by senior administration officials in a futile attempt to limit Democratic defections. }

As CNN notes: { The high number of Democrats voting against the White House is a clear sign Obama is increasingly isolated in his position on refugees in light of the ISIS terrorist attacks on Paris. }

{ A House Democrat, speaking on condition of anonymity to discuss private conversations, said there were progressives who entered the meeting with McDonough and Johnson prepared to oppose the McCaul-Hudson bill and left re-evaluating their position.

This member said the focus of McDonough and Johnson’s message was the White House doesn’t want to add an “extra burden” to the existing screening process, which the Obama administration strongly defends. “What member of Congress wants to go home to their district and say, ‘I voted against this bill to keep you safe because I didn’t want to impose more work on the bureaucracy?'” the lawmaker asked. }


{ Senate Democratic Leader Harry Reid (Nev.) vowed to block the House bill if it is considered by the upper chamber after the Thanksgiving recess.

“The problem is not with refugees,” Reid said. “I don’t think we’ll be dealing with it over here.”

When asked about the prospect of Obama vetoing the legislation, Reid said, “Don’t worry, it won’t get passed. Next question?” }

I hope he gets the news and drops, fucking crazy old man. Everyone in this state hates him.

Last edited Nov 19, 2015 at 06:25PM EST

So over the past few months, has there been anyone against taking in a reasonable about of refugees without using racist "They're all terrorist" arguments?

I don't understand why getting people out of a country before they are forced to join a war is a bad thing. Leaving them there will just give ISIS more people to kill or recruit.

Why is it racist to say terrorists are abusing the refugee crisis when terrorists/and now every EU government admit they're abusing the refugee crisis?

Its no different than that #yesallwomen thing on twitter a year ago

At what point do you not just say "ban people from being born because some people who are born become bad people"

Generalizing the whole refugee movement because of a few bad guys is the problem and is a bad argument.

All anybody is asking for is increased screening processes to make up for the abuse stemming from two very specific countries. So I'm still not seeing the racism. Does not generalizing mean we have to take stupid ass chances?

Last edited Nov 20, 2015 at 01:15PM EST

lisalombs wrote:

All anybody is asking for is increased screening processes to make up for the abuse stemming from two very specific countries. So I'm still not seeing the racism. Does not generalizing mean we have to take stupid ass chances?

I'm all for an intense screening process, but that is not all people are saying though, many people do not want any refugees no matter what. I believe half the US states governors have plainly said no, right?

No, I haven't heard from a governor yet who hasn't said "no refugees until a better screening process is in place". That's why the Democrats are jumping on board, if it were just blindly refusing refugees they would never.

Here's an "eye opening" piece from the National Review.

Obama’s Bad Math on Islamic Terrorism

{ Muslims are no more fundamentally bad than Christians or Jews. But it is not true that, as President Obama has said, “99.9 percent of Muslims” reject Islamic terrorism.

Obama’s 99.9 percent figure is demonstrably false. Pew Research has polled the issue extensively. In surveys of the Muslim populations of nine majority-Muslim countries, plus Lebanon, Gaza, and the West Bank, an average of 57 percent have an unfavorable view of al-Qaeda, not 99.9 percent. Thirteen percent have a favorable view of al-Qaeda, not 0.1 percent. The same proportion supports the Taliban. One in four of the Muslims polled supports Hezbollah. One in three Muslims in the Muslim world supports Hamas.

In Turkey -- which is a member of NATO -- one in four Muslims believes suicide bombings are sometimes justified. More than one in two Muslims believe this in Egypt and Jordan; more than two of three believe it in Nigeria.

The situation is not much different among Muslims in Western countries. In Britain and Spain, one in four Muslims believes suicide bombings are sometimes justified. One in three believes it in France. Slightly more than one in ten believes it in the United States (per a Pew poll from 2011). According to a poll conducted by a Georgetown Islamic Studies professor and a Gallup pollster, more than one in three Muslims worldwide believe that the 9/11 attacks were “somewhat,” “largely,” or “completely” justified (23.1 percent say “somewhat”; 13.5 percent say “largely” or “completely”).

I whole-heartedly believe that Muslim pro-terrorists are in the minority -- but it’s a large and powerful minority; not a tenth of 1 percent. Pretending otherwise, for the sake of being sanctimonious, accomplishes nothing. }

I really hate how so many people act like islam terrorists are such a small minority.
Islamic terrorists or supporters might not be the majority, but they definitely aren't rare or just some extremely small vocal minority.

Why are people even defending islam so badly? We will blame violent video games for violence, but blame a religion that encourages violence??? Can't do that!
Someone's belief system can't possibly affect someone's actions. Either way, any bad muslim obviously isn't a "real" muslim, right guys?

Not to sound like an ass, but anyone that thinks Syria is going to cause WWIII is dumb cause the second say Europe or the USA sets boots on the ground we're going to instantly regret it cause of how much Syria is a absolute clusterfuck right now.

The Refugee Processing Center released some data.

{ Since March 2011, a total of 2,296 Syrian refugees have been admitted into the U.S. as of Monday. Of those, 2,137 (93 percent) were Sunni Muslims, an additional 60 were described simply as “Moslem,” and 13 were Shia.

Only 53 (2.3 percent) were Christian (including five Orthodox and four Catholics). The remaining religious breakdown was eight Jehovah’s Witness, six Zoroastrians, three atheists, two Baha’i, one Yazidi, seven “no religion” and six “other religion.”

Of the total 2,296 Syrian refugees admitted since March 2011, 633 (27.5 percent) are men aged between 14 and 50. }

Just so we're clear here: over a quarter of the refugees we are harboring from religious persecution and violence are the religion and gender of the aggressors, aka the only people who actually get to live when ISIS takes over a territory. We have evacuated exactly 53 of the most persecuted group over the last four years.

The NYT and other publications have reported this year that Christianity is almost completely exterminated from the Middle East because of how intensely ISIS is hunting them.

53 of these people we have taken in as refugees over the past four years.

Did I repeat that enough for you?

  • 2,137 Sunni Muslims
  • 53 Christians

For the first time in France, three mosques have been shut down in a crackdown on extremism.

Police arrested 1, placed 9 under house arrest, and barred 22 from leaving the country.

Police seized revolvers, computer hard drives, and jihadist propaganda.


The first handful of hundreds of migrants being resettled in Latvia have non-stop complained since arriving.

{ Those who have arrived in the tiny Baltic state say the cold weather, lack of generous state handouts and relatively low number of fellow migrants who speak the same language have combined to make their experience of life in Europe thoroughly miserable.

One refugee worker told German newspaper Die Welt: "The refugees from southern countries tell us openly: Latvia is not our dream destination, we happened here, it was up to the smugglers."

Another added: "It is not like Britain. We want to go to Britain, life is easy in Britain. We want to live in Britain like our friends.” }

These are not refugees, these are migrants who think Europe is a place of magical rainbows and pots of gold where you can sit back and do nothing and live an easy life. Pathetic.

In the Portuguese news I heard that if a refugee denies the country that they were assigned they will have to take their chances of Asylum in the they first EU country they arrived. They probably took Latvia because of this.

The EU didn't promise anybody a better life, first of all. Merkel opened Germany to anyone who felt they could make the trip. Her words spurred millions of people to move, not the civil war.

The civil war spurred hundreds of thousands of Syrian soldiers to defect from Syria's armed forces and form the Free Syrian Army which now fights ISIS and Assad there with our assistance. That began their civil war, just like the civil war many other countries went through after a revolution. We've thrown people in jail for draft dodging, yet these millions of majority fighting aged single males, as the UN admits, are fleeing en masse.

That's what's pathetic. This is the Middle East's time to stand up for themselves and revolutionize, as every conservative in the world has been saying. Instead they want to go live an easy life in Britain and France where they can segregate into Muslim neighborhoods and form tribunal "family courts" to police themselves according to Islam, while the liberals foam at the mouth over such a beautiful system of multiculturalism. Pathetic.

lisalombs wrote:

For the first time in France, three mosques have been shut down in a crackdown on extremism.

Police arrested 1, placed 9 under house arrest, and barred 22 from leaving the country.

Police seized revolvers, computer hard drives, and jihadist propaganda.


The first handful of hundreds of migrants being resettled in Latvia have non-stop complained since arriving.

{ Those who have arrived in the tiny Baltic state say the cold weather, lack of generous state handouts and relatively low number of fellow migrants who speak the same language have combined to make their experience of life in Europe thoroughly miserable.

One refugee worker told German newspaper Die Welt: "The refugees from southern countries tell us openly: Latvia is not our dream destination, we happened here, it was up to the smugglers."

Another added: "It is not like Britain. We want to go to Britain, life is easy in Britain. We want to live in Britain like our friends.” }

These are not refugees, these are migrants who think Europe is a place of magical rainbows and pots of gold where you can sit back and do nothing and live an easy life. Pathetic.

I agree, the delusion is that we can pay enough and not care about them. Yet everyone still begs us the label them all 'refugees' even the ones not from war zones.

I hope it isn't an isolationist who downvoted me, "we shouldnt be there let them figure it out among themselves!" would be a lot easier if the fighting aged males weren't so busy complaining about the lack of cell phone service in tiny German villages. You guys think "oh the US and EU have it sorted out, now the world is peaceful, there will never be another major war, that kinda thing is for my grandparents"?

Senators press Obama to stop stalling on immigration records.

{ Sens. Ted Cruz (R., Texas) and Jeff Sessions (R., Ala.) claimed the Obama administration has failed to comply with a request for immigration records of 72 recent terrorists found to be in the United States.

It is critical that the Obama administration is more transparent about information pertaining to recent immigrants, according to the senators.

“In the first 11 months of this year, we have already identified 12 individuals brought into the country as refugees who have been subsequently implicated in terrorism. Their countries of origin range from Bosnia, to Somalia, to Uzbekistan,” they wrote. “These events do not occur in isolation, but tend to be part of broader networks of radicalization and extremism that must be understood as we develop immigration policy.”

Congress needs this information ahead of its consideration of a yearly spending bill that will pave the way for some 170,000 migrants from Muslim-majority nations to enter the United States.

“The security task involved is immense, and Congress must have the requested information [about terrorist immigration histories if lawmakers are to act as responsible stewards of American immigration policy,” the letter said. }

"Refugees" on the Macedonian border hold up OPEN OR DIE banner, hurl rocks at police while screaming WE WANT TO GO TO GERMANY and ALLAHU AKBAR (according to German media).


Dutch police arrested an 18 year old migrant after he told others at the camps that he fought with ISIS and Al-Q in Syria.

Denmark votes "No" to abandoning EU opt-outs:
Link

"Denmark's centre-right government had wanted to abandon some Danish opt-outs from EU home affairs legislation.

"But with all votes now counted, more than 53% said No to the proposals.

"The vote comes weeks after the Paris attacks and as Europe struggles to deal with record numbers of migrants."

"Although a Yes vote would not have affected Denmark's opt-out on immigration, the Danish People's Party argued that it could eventually have led to immigration policies being dictated by the EU."

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Hundreds out of new influx of refugees in Norway= found with ISIS propa, images of decapitates heads on phones, ISIS flags/symbols of other terrorist groups in luggage.

Head of the unit responsible for refugee security says there are may reasons why someone might have that on their phone, like to show people in Europe the awful things they're fleeing from~!

{ There may be several reasons why you have such images. One can be a witness and have a desire to show what you've seen, or you may have been tactically and have symbols associated with organizations that control areas passing through. What looks alarmingly out, may have other explanations than support for terrorist organizations, he said to the newspaper. }

Police exposed the findings to the public, citing their concerns that none of these people are arrested or detained or kept track of, just continued on through the system.


Pro-immigration newspaper The Independent conducted a survey with Pew Forum Research asking what percentage of Middle Eastern countries admit support for ISIS, in an attempt to prove that Trump's suggestion that migrants pose a security risk is wrong.

{ “The utterly astonishing thing is that the Independent actually thought such horrifying figures would reassure people,” commented one individual.

“2% of Egypt’s population of approx 60 million is 1.2 million and that it the lowest figure on the poll. Add up the millions who support or favour ISIS and look at the total. This article is a whitewash of ISIS – who is The Independent trying to kid?” said Henry Tobias.

“A negligible 115 million people side with ISIL? Nothing to worry about, then,” added another. }

Not the only alarming new survey/poll as of late.

{ The poll of European attitudes towards the group, carried out by ICM for Russian news agency Rossiya Segodnya, revealed that 16% of French citizens have a positive opinion of ISIS. This percentage increases among younger respondents, spiking at 27% for those aged 18-24. }

{ In a recent survey by Al Jazeera's Arabic language group, respondents overwhelmingly support the Islamic State terrorist group, with 81% voting “YES” on whether they approved of ISIS’s conquests in the region.

The poll, which asked in Arabic, “Do you support the organizing victories of the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS)?” has generated over 38,000 responses thus far, with only 19% of respondents voting “NO” to supporting ISIS. }

As of Monday, more than one million migrants have officially crossed into Europe on record.


Migrants in Italy dump trash in the streets to protest that their free Italian villa doesn't have a maid or wifi.

{ Migrants have dumped rubbish in the streets in protest at not getting a cleaner or wi-fi at the free villa they have been given for shelter.

The 24 refugees are up in arms after demanding someone clean up after them in the Italian duplex where they have been housed since arriving from sub-Saharan Africa last summer.

They are also angry at not being provided free internet, which has prevented them from contacting relatives back home.

The demonstrations, which first took place last week, also blocked main roads in the town of Ceranova, near Milan, sparking heated rows with members of the local community.

The town's mayor, Alessandro Grieco, was forced to intervene personally with the help of three police officers to calm the situation, it was reported by The Local, which cited La Repubblica.

Mr Grieco has expelled the 24-year-old leader of the protests from the villa. }


It gets better~

Afghan migrants set up camp at memorial site of Paris attacks to protest lack of housing

{ Afghan asylum-seekers have set up a homeless camp at the site of a prominent Paris terror attack memorial in protest at the lack of migrant housing.

The migrants have laid down mattresses and blankets at the busy Place de la Republique in Paris, where tens of thousands held a march of solidarity in the wake of the attacks.

The location of a tribute to those killed on November 13, the area is now been covered in protest signs and debris from the migrants living in the area. }

All them poor womens and childrens T_T


{ Dozens of alleged refugees have entered Germany on fake Syrian passports, which were produced using technology similar to that used to forge documents for some of the perpetrators of the Paris attacks, the German Bild newspaper reported Tuesday, citing government sources.

The majority of the forged passports originate in the Syrian city of Raqqa, one of the key Islamic State (IS, or Deash in Arabic) strongholds.

Stolen genuine documents were so intricately altered by counterfeiters that the forgery was not detected immediately, meaning those who entered the country on fake passports have not yet been found, according to the newspaper. }

RIP everybody in Europe who will be brutally murdered by Islamic terrorists in the near future because their government was too concerned with being PC and humanitarian than protecting its citizens.

Wall Street Journal Wednesday Cover Story: Islamic State’s Authentic-Looking Fake Passports Pose Threat

{ Islamic State has likely obtained equipment and blank passport books needed to make Syrian passports when the group took control of the Syrian cities of Raqqa and Deir Ezzour, those officials said. It has also gained control of materials to make Iraqi passports when it occupied the Iraqi city of Mosul, a Belgian counterterrorism official disclosed for the first time. Islamic State may have also gained control of passports and equipment when it took territory near Aleppo in Syria, the Belgian counterterrorism official said.

But the near-absence of communication with the Syrian government means Western officials are lacking key information that could be used to identify the passports, according to a confidential analysis by the U.S. Department of Homeland Security.

European governments now grant asylum to almost all Syrians, creating a thriving black market for authentic-looking fake Syrian passports, though European leaders are moving to tighten border security in the wake of the attacks. Last week, Austrian police arrested an Algerian and a Pakistani national at a refugee shelter in Salzburg, both holding forged Syrian passports. The two men had arrived in Leros on the same boat as the Paris attacker, officials said.

Frontex, the European Union’s border agency, has recently sent document experts to Leros and other Greek islands to pick out fake passports. But there are now only 10 experts, and identifying a fake that has been printed on real Syrian passport books with real equipment is very difficult, a Frontex spokeswoman said.

It’s enormously difficult to figure out,” said Richard Barrett, a former, senior U.K. counterterrorism official. Islamic State “can probably make them good enough to get them past someone who has faced 10,000 refugees,” Mr. Barrett said. }

The liberals are starting to catch on.

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