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The longer I have been on this site the more I notice how prevalent this problem is. Basically someone tells a mediocre joke (one that is not offensive) and somehow people get angry. My evidence for my assertion is this thread I made in which I was well aware it would spark hostile reactions.

The point is that it is a very common problem on this site. And yes, I called it a "problem" now let me explain why. What I do know is that humour is completely subjective, because I remember telling jokes I didn't found funny but it made other people laugh. Now I ask why should it make anyone angry? I've seen humour I did not like but did I rant at the person who made it? In fact when ever someone rants at someone for making mediocre jokes I generally see him as a "pathetic whiner".

The most famous example we all know is Asura.

Riff raff is the cancer that is killing KYM and I really cant take any more what it has done to the community of this site. There should not bee a board on this site dedicated to rewarding people for making completely useless threads and acting like fucking idiotic degenerates. It only promotes that behaviour into people and thinking that it is okay to be retarded everywhere else. And oh, you say anything bad about or their terrible jokes it and people jump on you.

-Asura

He posted this on a discussion thread meaning he was being serious. I am not asserting that all or even most users are like this, I am asserting that this is a problem in our community.

Your first problem is taking anything in Riff-Raff seriously
Your second problem is using a Riff-Raff thread as evidence of anything

Could you possibly find evidence of this aggression in a section whose main purpose isn't shitposting?

The asura quote.

1. Do you have a link to where that post was made so we can verify your claim that it was meant to be taken seriously?
2. How exactly does one user's post prove anything about anyone else?

Which I completely disagree with. I've been on many forums, some have Riff-Raff like sections and some don't. The ones with Riff-Raff like sections are usually well behaved elsewhere on the forum. This is because Riff-Raff acts like a magnet that attracts shitposts and confines them to a singular section. Regardless of whether Riff-Raff exists or not, people are gonna make shitpost threads, and just post them in general or off-topic, pulling those topics down.
Which is why I ask for evidence of this aggression outside of Riff-Raff, if you have evidence of aggression outside of Riff-Raff, then I could consider this a problem. However, since the behavior of Riff-Raff is 95% fabricated for the purpose of shitposting, nothing there can be extrapolated to the rest of the forum

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1. okay then
2. Look at the upvotes
@RyumaruBorike
Click the link. And notice the amount of upvotes he has.

So the fact that some people agree with him makes his statement valid?
Also, the person you are quoting is named Asura, The Anti-Fun
Can kind of see where his bias lies.

There are a bunch of people who don't like Riff-Raff, that much is known, but unless you can prove that Riff-Raff is causing aggression in other sections, there isn't any reason to suspect there is a problem. If you don't like the kind of behavior in Riff-Raff, there is an easy solution, don't go to Riff-Raff

Ah yes, it's in the Unpopular Opinions thread, therefore it must be a popular opinion, right?
"BUT THE UPVOTES!" I hear you say. Well…
1. The upvote button is not the "I agree" button. For example, those users could just have thought that he said it in a funny way.
2. You only quoted part of Asura's post. The reason for some of those nine could very easily lie outside the part you pasted in the OP, like the paragraph that mentioned Don jokes.

But it also affects mods .They did it because they found the threads bad and it somehow compelled them to start locking them. I once had an honest to god argument with 21 about whether getting angry over bad jokes is petty. Seriously ask him yourself.

How does this have anything to do with our conversation? It was said in the thread you posted to that not only do posters have less rules in Riff-Raff, so do the mods, and they will lock threads they just found bad.
I'm talking about Riff-Raff causing tangible aggression between users outside of Riff-Raff. I've said it before, anything from Riff-Raff itself is non-evidence. Please find me a Riff-Raff like response to a bad joke outside of Riff-Raff so we can actually discuss the topic. If you just want to talk about how shit Riff-Raff is, we might as well talk about how Blue the sky is. :/

Does Asura telling Eurofighter to deactivate his account after saying some stupid stuff count? Sure, Eurofighter wasn't saying a joke, but…..

….To be honest, I don't know what Euro's talking about, I haven't really seen people be aggresive towards others because of things that they did in RR….. Besides….

Asura.

And I've only seen him do it once or twice too…

Agressive-sounding shitpost response to a shitpost post… made by the OP of this very thread. that discusses the idea that the shitpost section cause aggressive shitposting outside the shitpost section, which uses a quote from the aggressive-sounding shitpost respondee. My eyes are spinning 6_9
Euro, if you are gonna post outside of Riff-Raff like you are in Riff-Raff, people are gonna respond the same way they would in Riff-Raff. I'm starting to suspect Euro and Asura are hatching a conspiracy to destroy Riff-Raff or something

I am not specifically talking about Riff-Raff I am talking about "People who get angry over mediocre jokes." in general. This also takes place on the IRC and outside the internet. It is when people go "stop making these jokes you're not funny!". Also I did mention 21 in the post you just responded where I argued with him about how petty getting angry over jokes are.

Also if you look at the posts on Riff-Raff you can tell they are being serious about their posts. Their is not a hint of sarcasm and would take it to general discussion threads as an actual complaint. Although I argue about their behaviour on Riff-Raff I am also arguing about their atittude.

IRC isn't far above Riff-Raff, and outside the internet has nothing to do with out community (which is what your Original Post was about) Also, can you please show me 21 and your discussion instead of making us search all through the site looking for it.

Sarcasm isn't the easiest thing to detect on the internet, and you don't have to be sarcastic when shitposting. Again, you cannot, under any circumstances, take anything from Riff-Raff seriously or at face value. Remember Poe's Law "Extremism and Parodies of Extremism are indistinguishable without the [OPs] stated intent" Being posted in Riff-Raff is the "stated intent" of being a parody. Just because it sounds serious, doesn't mean it is.

Attitude…I'm arguing about the attitude. The mod discussion link is outside of Riff-Raff they have the attitude that bad Riff-Raff threads bother them. Also ask 21 yourself if you want a confirmation about an argument we had.

Something about the argument being made here seems… quite petty.

If you are trying to make an argument against peoples Anger towards Mediocre jokes, you neither provide reason for administrative action nor a benefit to the receiver of said mediocre joke. The only person who seems to really benefit is the makers of mediocre jokes. Thus the argument becomes something like "Hey stop getting angry when I post whatever I want wherever I want."

Also, very poor usage of quoting somebody, calling them a pathetic whiner beforehand. You pretty much prove Asura's Point actually. "And oh, you say anything bad about or their terrible jokes it and people jump on you."

Personally, it's not the Mediocre Jokes that bothers me about Riff Raff. It's the bucket-o-middleschool drama that comes with it, as demonstrated by OP.

Ever consider the fact that the IRC is basically another riff raff? or that this thread is basically a shitpost thread OP made to piss others off? I will say as a maker of terrible jokes in riff raff this does happen as users sometimes bully or dislike others for what they do in riff raff, but then again they do that to me because I made a genuine problem in the forums because of my mediocre jokes. Also again most of the hate comes from the irc, a place where we mostly have the mindset of riff raff. If it wasn't there it happened once and me and that user have made up. Otherwise getting mad at stupid jokes is fine as that itself is a stupid joke, if real bullying happens report to a mod or talk to the user and be done.

Personally I think getting angry over mediocre jokes is beyond petty. But first I will explain why humour is subjective.

I stated:

I remember telling jokes I didn’t found funny but it made other people laugh

Well one of these people if you can believe it was Randomman. I remember saying "we're all pink on the inside" and that got a kick out of him. I honest to god didn't find it funny but there you go. In fact a more accurate description of a "bad joke" is "joke you didn't find funny".

So now that is much clearer I see no reason why one must get angry over these. That is why I find it beyond petty. If someone makes a poor joke, they made a poor joke now move on. They did not do the equivalent of insulting you.

And that is why I had a user name called "I anger people by doing nothing wrong".

Okay, first off how am I the problem here? I fail to see that a grand majority of what I have done on this site was more deconstructive. I made that post around the time before the "Asura thread" and it was around the time were riff-raff threads and people continuously posting on it were actually god awful. Threads on riff raff were so bad that who wouldn't be pissed off with how things were going, especially when people thought it was okay to take the riff raff mentality with them to other parts of kym like in the comment sections in page entries.

When I made that post, I did not care whether people up or downvoted me, I felt that I just needed to say something because nobody else on the site will speak out against riff raff and the constant spamming of overused don jokes at the time. But it shows that a lot of people actually agreed with me with the upvotes (to my knowledge), and a few users actually posted on my wall thanking me for speaking out, even a few followers. I really do not care much for all that but it is still a significant sign to show people that things needed to be changed around.

After the "asura thread" and the shitstorm subsided, people actually tried to either made threads in other boards to increase their activity or actually tried to make riff raff threads funny again. After a pm with randomman I can say that I (and laika too) helped in saving riff raff from the downward spiral it was going as he said that a lot of people stopped bitching and complaining about how awful riff raff was.

The problem here is users like you typhoon, who do nothing to contribute to actually making the forums a bit better for people to enjoy. All you do is spam "hahah nice thread lolololol" in a bunch of threads, and only further validates the points I made earlier. If you are gonna be a douchebag on the forums, be a funny one. Also, to make things clear I do not take riff raff threads i post in serious. People thinking I'm being aggressive really need to stop thinking that. It is just a posting style I like to use to try and start shit, and most of the time they are in really bad riffraff threads to try and make them somewhat more interesting, which fails most of the time but whatever, its just riff raff so who gives a fuck.

No Original Name pmed me the other day asking to find out wtf was really going on and thinking about the hostility he felt between us. I cleared things up with him basically saying that one: I do not take riff raff seriously and so shouldn't he. And two: That I just straight up told him his threads were a lot more annoying than funny. To me he came off as a tryhard trying to make threads in order to be an attention whore, which most people act like on riff raff anyways. I also explained to him about how the IRC is just a cesspool of all the kinds of people I generally do not like and that it is another riff raff in how terrible it is. The last part is irrelevant to the discussion so I will leave it out. But overall, we got over our differences and he understood my points well and we left on neutral grounds.

So to summarize all of this shit, stop acting like a try-hard when making riffraff threads. You end up looking like an obnoxious and pathetic attention whore.

That is basically all I need to say, My time is too scarce to be spent trying to argue bullshit over an internet meme documenting site with a person who I don't even know.

and it was around the time were riff-raff threads and people continuously posting on it were actually god awful

That is the entire point of this thread. It should not ever make a normal person angry. You essentially got angry at people who did nothing wrong. I deliberately make bad jokes to spark reactions that are foul and I in no way take responsibility for my actions because it is trivial inconveniences that shouldn't make them enraged. I see bad jokes everyday and I don't ever make an angry rant towards them.

And secondly you by far deserve more criticism than riffraff posters because of your foul language towards people in general. In fact you are doing it right now, so for the love of god just stop cursing!

I felt that I just needed to say something because nobody else on the site will speak out against riff raff

especially when people thought it was okay to take the riff raff mentality with them to other parts of kym like in the comment sections in page entries.

Seriously Asura I cannot take you seriously at this point. If you truly don't take jokes in general seriously then why do you put on this tone as if it was the worst thing ever?