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Ideas to improve the site

Last posted Nov 19, 2021 at 05:14PM EST. Added Sep 26, 2021 at 04:30PM EDT
34 posts from 21 users

Exactly as it say on the tin

(Some of my ideas have been posted before but i believe they are still relevant)

-An Original Content count
We already have a count about how many comments images and edits we have posted to the site so i think it would be cool if we also have a count for how much Original Content we have uploaded to KYM
(images video etc)

-Edit function for comments on entries
A lot of users have been asking for this for a long time now (at least some years) i really don't get why you are keeping it from us

-The ability of kicking followers out and then blocking them premanently from following us again
We currently have a follow function a user is able to "follow" another user thats fine but it has the potential of being abused by users with less than friendly intent so i am asking for the ability of "kicking out" followers out of our followers list we deem not friendly and blocking them form following us again

-Make sources for images a "required field"
When i first came here i runned into trouble because the images i was uploading din't have sources the problem is i was never notified in the first place since its clearly mandatory why is it not a "required field"?

-Restrict newly made accounts functions
So we all here know the phenomenon of "some angry bafoon browsing our site and looking at an old article and then proceed to create an account just to yell at us and call us names" (necroposting) so here is how its gonna function when a new account is created it will be restricted form commenting on month old articles for 6 days (another user here Talkie Toaster had also proposed a similar idea where newly created accounts will be unable to comment in general for a certain amount of days personally i think thats a bit too hardcore)

-The ability to change a user uploaded images entry through the edit function
How many times has this happened to you? You are uploading an image on KYM and you forget to set an entry (or alternatively you put it on the wrong entry) now you have to delete it and start all over again it would be very VERY useful to be able change an images entry manually i seriously don't know why we don't already have something like this

Ok thats it from me if anyone else here also has ideas to improve to site you can post them freely

Last edited Sep 26, 2021 at 04:31PM EDT

An ability to block certain users, that way Obligatory Wojak Spammer No. 6433 won’t be such a nuisance. Same thing with specific users in mind, like the Lisa Lambs or the ODL’s of the site can be blocked.

New users have a vetting period before they can post images/make entries/make forum entries. Spam bots are still an ever present issue on the site. You’ll get spam bots who send you messages to www.NotMalwarePornSpam.com or people spamming their private business on here.

Same thing as what Sanakan said, make it so that people who were banned have a little blurb about why they were banned. It’ll cut down on the weekly/monthly “Why was (insert name here) banned” threads.

Have a specific part of the site for Tik tok trends and fads. I’m apathetic to the whole recent Tik Tok trends showing up on here but I’m more annoyed with the obligatory “God I hate Tik tok” comments anytime there’s a new entry on here. Basically make different sections for the site for stuff, from news to memes to recent fade and what not.

I'll admit, for the last few years this site has felt stagnant in terms of features.
There have been many complaints, but the lack of feedback on here recently makes the board I just linked dead.

As for ideas, well, I'm not sure what I could suggest that hasn't been said before.

I like Sanakan's idea; furthermore, I would be open to more feedback from the mods and/or admins in general (not including discord, I'm talking about publically visible feedback)

Last edited Sep 29, 2021 at 08:54PM EDT

I really want to emphasize this one:

-Restrict newly made accounts functions

Because there seems to be a rampant problem with newer accounts. There seems to be a problem with doppelgangers appearing using the same username and profile picture as another user, throwing out some god-awful opinion or lulzy 'hee hoo me have cooties', and being generally disruptive. I see this as an actual risk to user safety and it's something that should definitely be addressed, some additional account verification or restriction on posting permissions or a longer cooldown between comments for newer accounts would be nice.

Additionally I'm noticing a lot of "hibernating reactionaries" who post nothing for months, sometimes their account getting made like months before they first post. Then when they do post it's SOLELY to post inflammatory or hot takes. To me I look at those accounts and they are smurf accounts to keep one's karma intact when they want to share an opinion they know is going to be unpopular. It's just a gut feeling and a rather loose interpretation of the "ban evasion" rule so I don't know what sort of system could dissuade this trend of inflammatory behavior outside of our current moderation policies

Last edited Oct 08, 2021 at 11:22AM EDT

wisehowl_the_2nd wrote:

I really want to emphasize this one:

-Restrict newly made accounts functions

Because there seems to be a rampant problem with newer accounts. There seems to be a problem with doppelgangers appearing using the same username and profile picture as another user, throwing out some god-awful opinion or lulzy 'hee hoo me have cooties', and being generally disruptive. I see this as an actual risk to user safety and it's something that should definitely be addressed, some additional account verification or restriction on posting permissions or a longer cooldown between comments for newer accounts would be nice.

Additionally I'm noticing a lot of "hibernating reactionaries" who post nothing for months, sometimes their account getting made like months before they first post. Then when they do post it's SOLELY to post inflammatory or hot takes. To me I look at those accounts and they are smurf accounts to keep one's karma intact when they want to share an opinion they know is going to be unpopular. It's just a gut feeling and a rather loose interpretation of the "ban evasion" rule so I don't know what sort of system could dissuade this trend of inflammatory behavior outside of our current moderation policies

Don't forget some of those "hibernating reactionaries" are also just advertising accounts. A way for website staff to view accounts (assuming it doesn't already exist) and maybe for users as well to view profiles without having to know the name beforehand might make it easier to report and remove accounts that only want to use KYM as an advertising platform.

blank profile pic wrote:

who tf botted this place up and why
are they salty or something
what made them soil their pants
if you are reading this i'd like an explanation

The answer will be downvotes!

Can we have banned account's page not deleted after ban so we can browse the reason and know how was that person before and their not banned content ?

Please, please ?

Since no other mod wants to go into this…

I am going to try and cut the snark, I would appreciate if you guys would respond in good faith. Keep in mind, I am going to attempt to provide rationale and willing to go into depth. That means it might take a bit to get to everyone's post.


Griff's Suggestions:

  • An Original Content count
    Some concern about abuse of this system (especially given that sometimes users upload site screenshots to essentially bully users) but that's not an issue with the thing itself. To be honest, I would rather see a way that you could just press a button and see "OC by user X" like you do with an image search, and it would give a tally, like how image searches do. I know that some users have created tags just for the their OC, but this is a just a bit of a work around. I'm not sure the site can handle it but I'll see if I can suggest something like it more directly.
  • Editable Comments
    Okay, but like, I understand you’re frustrated by this, but pretty much everyone wants this and has wanted this for most, if not all of the history of the site. The fact that this feature has been universally desired for so long and it hasn’t happened should be a hint that this isn’t something that someone is actively “keeping from you,” it’s something the site itself cannot handle in its current state. This is the same answer it has always been. Everyone hopes that someday it can happen but given that having the site run at a basic functioning level consistently isn’t even possible right now… yeah…
  • Kicking Followers/Blocking users
    Don really doesn't like when we've tried to make some more explicit rules about things that could be easily spun to be about "Free Speech". Blocking users is one of those things that has come up and, in the past at least, he seemed to be very much against for the same reason. In theory at least, the site is supposed to be a somewhat based on research. Actively blocking content from others doesn't really fit this idealized image. In addition, I'm sure on day one if such a feature was put into place, we'll have users start mocking others for wanting "safe spaces" and being "against free speech" etc. Anyways, I do not recall Don saying anything about this recently, so maybe his mind has changed.
  • Make sources for images a "required field"
    So, this was actually discussed when tagging first became mandatory but before an existing field for sources existed. It should be noted that a few users really did not like mandatory tagging, though the majority did. Going back and reading the thread (wow, that was wild, I forgot there was a time when the site community felt like this) I found some of the highlights:

Cipher_Oblivion wrote:

the location of an individual image that someone stumbled across somewhere may not have any kind of useful source information to provide. While I do think far more images need to be sourced than are currently, and any image where a useful source exists should certainly be sourced, I don't think mandatory sourcing is a good idea; Not every image even has a findable source worth anything, and discluding those that don't will definitely have a negative impact on the rate of uploads.

I wrote:

sometimes we make entries about things that are years old, when finding source is near impossible, or the original artwork has since been removed. A meme example that someone on 4chan spent 5 seconds on in MS paint is much less likely to find a stable source than an artist on an art site.

RandomMan wrote:

A source section isn't something you can always enforce. Some of our users make their own meme stuff and upload it to the galleries (you can't exactly source it as: "me") and sites like 4chan are hightly likely not the source save rare cases

CrashGordon 94 wrote:

source can't be forced because some images would have no source or at least no useful source

Lycanroc wrote:

For sources, some images don't have a proper source, the source is hard to find, or it was uploaded straight from the computer to the site (like when a user makes something relevant to what ever entry they're uploading to).

I guess for added context: This was discussed when we would still get the rare traditional Advice Animal. Try finding the original source of one of them that you didn’t create if you just happened to save it. Better yet, try doing it when you saved that image several years ago. Obviously nowadays we don’t really expect too many more of those, but I still have some advice animal images from way back saved that KYM never bothered to make an entry for. Likewise, there are still new memes that today, consist primarily of the same image with slightly different text that reverse image search will not be able to find your exact example of readily.

Probably more importantly at the time it was when Hentai Quotes was constantly trending (hey, remember that). Now, imagine the nightmare of trying to moderate where you say on one hand, you must source every image, while also saying that linking to NC content (like porn) breaks the rules.

Image souring is more mandatory for things that are clearly fanart. The site has had issues with the past of people trying to justify raiding the site over unsourced "stolen" artwork before. As I tried to explain back in the day in that same thread this is sort of the inherent nature of the wide breadth of images the site is trying to maintain. Example #2340 of a specific advice animal is going to be next to impossible to source after the fact, but I doubt the creator will actually care about their 5 seconds of effort not being credited. Fanart someone spent hours on is a bit more important, and it individually has more metadata documentation value as well. The problem is, the site itself can’t determine if #2340 Advice Animal/random Hentai Quote/ screen cap of an unarchived 4chan thread is being uploaded and ignore the source field, but then mandate it for impressive fanworks. It is an all or nothing thing. Mods, site admins, and users at the time felt it best to manually use logical thinking to enforce sourcing when it was appropriate instead of stopping uploads of things where sourcing was beyond impractical.

  • Restrict newly made accounts functions
    This has actually been implemented to a small degree but most of the mods agree it leaves a bit to be desired, as right now it only covers image uploads to galleries. We were hoping and have requested for a bit more. While we have not heard a definite no, we haven’t heard if it can actually be done either.
  • Users able to move their own image uploads.
    This probably will not happen for two reasons. One, you can just message a mod with image powers and they will move it for you. Two, and this is a bigger one, there has been a long history of users and mods having disagreements on “the best” gallery for things. I don’t want to go into too many details, but the jest is that many users would just upload to a popular extremely broad gallery and ignore the more specific ones, even if the more specific galleries were actually about the specific meme the image was about. Now, we get that not every user can always know every gallery on the site. But sometimes users would get extremely upset that their images got moved, sometimes when their image was demonstrably not actually documenting the thing the entry is about.
Last edited Nov 16, 2021 at 11:00AM EST

I'm going to be activly ignoring the joke posts by No!! and Steve…


Sanakan_ht's suggestion:

  • Have a label upon a banned user on why he was banned so that we don't get to see "Why was _____ banned" threads every week.

bold of you to assume that we won't have another Lisa Lombs. Not actually against this idea persay, but as stated pointed in this thread I'm reasonably confident that this won't actually stop these. The rather minor issues are:

1. A lot of the time, there isn't one singular thing that does a user in. Sometimes it is easy enough when they are an alt of a banned user, or they went full Arcanine. But often it is a string of multiple different bad behaviors that eventually lead to ban.

2: There's more than a decade worth of banned users on the site, that would be a lot of work if there was an expectation to label all the nobodies who were banned before most of the current mod team even joined KYM.

The bigger issue is, while none of the mods are really fans of the "why was user X banned" it actually allows for context. Seeing a user banned for racism might automatically lead some to assume that it was because the banned user "wasn't acting PC enough" and was really banned for "wrong think". In a thread we can link to the posts that were cited in the ban to show what they said to make it clear that the user in question was actually actively being a terrible person and that you don't just have to blindly trust.


Derptastic Derp Man's suggestions

  • Blocking users and New User wait period: mentioned in the previous post
  • Obligatory Wojak Spammer No. 6433 won’t be such a nuisance.

I think the rest of this sentence meant to be about blocking galleries and not users like the sentence following it was about.

This is another issue like editable comments where everyone has wanted it for years, but the site doesn't actually seem able to do.. There is a lot about the image galleries on the site that I (and well, almost everyone) wishes could be more like an image booru. This one I actually can give some more specific information on though.

I'm sure people who want the "block specific thing" option know about the "show fewer ponies button", but it doesn't work like you probably think. A normal site would load the page and remove the MLP images from the results. KYM, instead, has essentially a copy of the image feed sans ponies that you are redirected to. This works by not showing the images uploaded in the galleries of MLP and it's children entries from this feed. If you wanted to not see ponies back in the day this was better, even this wasn't perfect. Pony images posted in other galleries still showed up, and if there were non-pony examples of pony memes (which, while rare did happen) they would also not show up. The important part though, was that there had to be made space for essentially two copies of the site. For something like ponies, which could have close to hundreds of new uploads daily for years (yes really) this was seen as worth while. But to do this for for other things… at lest how I was told back when James still worked on the site, you would have to create basically a new copy of the site for everything and every combination of things you wanted to filter out. It was essentially to be read that the way the site hosts images would have to be completely overhauled. Another feature everyone wants, but we seem for now to be stuck with because of lack of foresight over a decade ago.

  • Separate site for memes originating on specific sites.

This has become the new CAMOWAM
Creating Complaining About [Documenting] Memes On a Website About [Documenting] Memes. Like, I get on a lot of things, the Admins are legit completely out of touch with the community for the worse. But Tik Tok has more people on it in the United State than Twitter. The entire reason the site exists is to document internet culture. This is even less realistic suggestion than that MEME Act Obamium made. To quote from that thread "There is no way something that directly goes against the site's objective is going to be implemented as 'policy'".

  • "I’m more annoyed with the obligatory “God I hate Tik tok”"

So are the mods. Technically speaking these comments are breaking rules. The problem is, we are well aware that enforcing the "keep it relevant" rule here is going to immediately be seen as suppressing free speech and as some sort of support for Tik Tok despite the fact that, to my knowledge, all the mods actually have the same disdain for the site itself as most of the userbase.

If you have suggestions that aren't just going to make the comments section hate the mods infinitely more than they already do, we'd love to hear it.

Last edited Nov 15, 2021 at 11:55PM EST

olors64's Suggestion

  • I would be open to more feedback from the mods and/or admins in general (not including discord, I'm talking about publically visible feedback)

Moderators would like more feedback from Admins too TBH. It has gotten better, but it still isn't what we would consider adequate most of the time.

I get that there is a sort of love/hate relationship with the discord on the main site. The community on the discord is much more like KYM forums years ago, generally made of users who are cool with chatting and not seriously insulting others or automatically assuming the worst. However, it's also like that because the community itself has much higher standards for the people there.

Obviously, the fact I'm trying to respond is an attempt, but the fact I didn't do so until more than a month after the thread started and no other moderator did either… yeah… I get that it isn't great.


Blu Spy's Head Suggestion

  • Remove the "Fewer Ponies" feature.

I don't think anyone really seems a reason to keep it at this point, but I don't know if the Admins really even want to put in the effort to remove it. Still, I will try to bring this up because yeah, it becomes increasingly less relevant.


blank profile pic's suggestions

  • advanced search system

There is the list of search operators, though I get that this isn't nearly neat or complete as using Google's advance search features.

  • a way to directly contact admin since likely none of them read stuff like this

Are they not answering PMs? I know they can be slow about it, but they should at least get those.


Mr. Funnyman's suggestion

  • Just don't post politics or celebrity gossip here at all

I do miss the days before politics felt like a dominating issue on KYM but the staff has pushed a lot more towards that. In some cases it makes sense, especially when a somewhat more "traditional meme" originates from it. But this one is unfortunately probably like trying to get there to be less Tik Tok.

In addition… people claim to want less politics, but then get extremely upset when told to keep political discourse to their dedicated areas as highlighted here.


wisehowl_the_2nd's suggestions:

  • Restricting Brand New Accounts has been mentioned previously.
  • hibernating reactionary accounts

This one is a bit difficult to know how best to handle it. Sometimes we can make a very educated guess, but other times, for all we can tell, it could just be someone that made an account to favorite a single image, didn't use the site for months, and then came back because they had strong opinions on something they saw and remembered they had an account.

If we can tell they are an alt we will take action, and there are ways to check. But more often than not, they are generally just randos, not accounts dedicated to spread unpopular opinions.


Linkzor24's suggestion

  • Videos

Mods don't really get much say or heads up in that so I really can't comment there, sorry.


Volvo FH's suggestion

  • Blacklist tags like boorus.

Mostly the same as was previously stated with blocking galleries. The site should have been built more like a booru. There is hope that someday these issues might get fixed, but it likely won't be soon.


thebigguy123's suggestion

  • Put in a captcha to filter out bots

I guess I though that already happened? What I was told years ago was that, because captcha is so common, most "bots" are either really humans just copy/pasting messages, or are bots but are let in by real people to circumvent the captcha.


TheHunter280's suggestion:

  • Can we have banned account's page not deleted after ban so we can browse the reason and know how was that person before and their not banned content ?

So, I'm a bit confused as to what this is saying exactly, but I'll try my best.

User account pages/activity is only deleted if they are spambanned. This is done when a user is either a bot, advertising account, obvious troll with no worthwhile contributions, or obvious alt with limited activity. Comments are only really removed otherwise when they break the really hard rules (porn, gore, and doxxing).

As of now, there is not a public display of the exact reason a user was banned. I will float the idea of if a ban reason can be more publicly displayed. This would of course require what I believe is the real part of the question being asked, the ability to see a user's page and their activity feed after they have been banned.

To be fair, while moderators can see a banned user's page after said user is banned, we only see the basic information they provided and the contribution pie. We are unable to see comments on their wall or their user activity unless the account is reactivated. I already floated the idea of, for mods at least, not to do that because it's a bit of a weird step to have to do. I will try to talk to the other mods and staff to see if that can be implemented and if they think some form of general access to this would be a good idea or not.

Jill wrote:

TheHunter280's suggestion:

Can we have banned account's page not deleted after ban so we can browse the reason and know how was that person before and their not banned content ?

So, I'm a bit confused as to what this is saying exactly, but I'll try my best.

User account pages/activity is only deleted if they are spambanned. This is done when a user is either a bot, advertising account, obvious troll with no worthwhile contributions, or obvious alt with limited activity. Comments are only really removed otherwise when they break the really hard rules (porn, gore, and doxxing).

As of now, there is not a public display of the exact reason a user was banned. I will float the idea of if a ban reason can be more publicly displayed. This would of course require what I believe is the real part of the question being asked, the ability to see a user's page and their activity feed after they have been banned.

To be fair, while moderators can see a banned user's page after said user is banned, we only see the basic information they provided and the contribution pie. We are unable to see comments on their wall or their user activity unless the account is reactivated. I already floated the idea of, for mods at least, not to do that because it's a bit of a weird step to have to do. I will try to talk to the other mods and staff to see if that can be implemented and if they think some form of general access to this would be a good idea or not.

Sorry for my poor grammar, yes you are correct. I don't wanna play devil's attorney like an ass without some way of access to evidence as I'm new and not interested to stalk every post while they were active. If it can help me and others to stay quiet by searching at their own discretion, that'd be great.
I'd like to ask you if "user's page" include contributions if I'm mistaken ?

Thank you for considering.

I have seen more shock post gore in the last few days than I have in the last 5 years of using the internet, put a limit on new accounts powers for fucks sake.

Last edited Nov 19, 2021 at 03:42AM EST

And memes need to stop being so difficult to add or edit!

There's no entry for printer lore etc memes yet the process for creating an entry is so difficult (moderator approval needed)

Lessons in Meme Culture's video on Lore memes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vja-vR5jH7Y

And I need to make requests to edit entries:
https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/subcultures/poppy-playtime

And is there a specific place for requesting memes to be added? If not, then there should be one! There doesn't seem to be an entry on lore memes yet!

There needs to be a way to turn off infinite scroll by default!
And the ads and videos cause so much lag!

Skeletor-sm

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