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Gamergate Thread Part 2: Electric Boogaloo

Last posted Nov 02, 2021 at 10:50AM EDT. Added Jul 21, 2021 at 02:57PM EDT
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Restarting the Gamergate thread discussion here as the last one was Locked by Sr Mod Tequila Sunset, stating:

"locked for straying too far off the topic of GG for too long, if you want to discuss GG make another thread, but make sure to keep it exclusively relevant to GG"

This is that thread, following in the spirit of the first Gamergate discussion post by mod RandomMan , which (paraphrased) reads:

"With the comment section often misused, please use this thread as a social hub or to share simple info on anything GG related.

Please remain on topic.

If you wish to discuss entry additions instead, please make use of the other thread.

Don't double post unless you rant out of time to edit your post and you want to quote someone's post."

The other thread

On that note, let's get this show back on the road. Backlog is here

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As corny as it sounds, Gamergate needs to be dunked on more. Gaming and geek culture have serious issues about gatekeeping and ganging up on those trying to call it out will only give them a point. "SocJus" didn't come from a vacuum, and in fact, they have a point: look at the toxic, sexist work culure of companies like Riot Games and Ubisoft. Harassment towards women there is not uncommon and was kept under wraps for years. Everytime people called it out, they're ganged up on online for daring to "slander" their idols and sometimes for being "bossy" women.

As sleazy as Zoe Quinn seems, Gamergate has become the worse evil. It's clearly not about ethics anymore, it's about keeping progressives quiet.

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thebigguy123 wrote:

As corny as it sounds, Gamergate needs to be dunked on more. Gaming and geek culture have serious issues about gatekeeping and ganging up on those trying to call it out will only give them a point. "SocJus" didn't come from a vacuum, and in fact, they have a point: look at the toxic, sexist work culure of companies like Riot Games and Ubisoft. Harassment towards women there is not uncommon and was kept under wraps for years. Everytime people called it out, they're ganged up on online for daring to "slander" their idols and sometimes for being "bossy" women.

As sleazy as Zoe Quinn seems, Gamergate has become the worse evil. It's clearly not about ethics anymore, it's about keeping progressives quiet.

According to this user, gamergate is the gatekeeping and toxic culture of games development companies that harass women.

To clarify. When talked about, gamergate refers to the instance when publishers and journalists using/used their influence to agenda push on the target audience, gamers.

It's the consumer backlash that occured as a result of addressing the gaming audience as toxic.

So when someone blame companies as Gamergate, thats not the #Gamergate movement that we've been talking about.

Its about Ethics in Games Journalism.

It's about Trusting but Verifying sources.

When companies and journalists attack and blame the audience for low sales or not selling well because the game they made doesnt sell due to the number of Gamers ruining the market, or when #Gamergate is blamed as the reason for the 2016 election…

That's when this thread springs to life.

Or someone decides to post into this thread and tries to get it shut down by Redefining Gamergate or straight up trolling.

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thebigguy123 wrote:

As corny as it sounds, Gamergate needs to be dunked on more. Gaming and geek culture have serious issues about gatekeeping and ganging up on those trying to call it out will only give them a point. "SocJus" didn't come from a vacuum, and in fact, they have a point: look at the toxic, sexist work culure of companies like Riot Games and Ubisoft. Harassment towards women there is not uncommon and was kept under wraps for years. Everytime people called it out, they're ganged up on online for daring to "slander" their idols and sometimes for being "bossy" women.

As sleazy as Zoe Quinn seems, Gamergate has become the worse evil. It's clearly not about ethics anymore, it's about keeping progressives quiet.

So, Blizzard has hit absolute low, there's a lawsuit against Blizzard for sexual harrasments. A lawsuit that's been investigated for 2 years. This went off similar to the Riot sexual allegations controversy.

And then Brianna Wu back at it again commenting on the Blizzard situation and can't help it but to bring up GamerGate again as it is somehow related for no reason

Wu is catching up…I think…

Archive Link

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Sanakan_ht wrote:

So, Blizzard has hit absolute low, there's a lawsuit against Blizzard for sexual harrasments. A lawsuit that's been investigated for 2 years. This went off similar to the Riot sexual allegations controversy.

And then Brianna Wu back at it again commenting on the Blizzard situation and can't help it but to bring up GamerGate again as it is somehow related for no reason

Wu is catching up…I think…

Archive Link

Just in case, because it's been almost 7 years of this, and new readers may not be up to speed (the #gamergate article is dense)

Brianna Wu got involved with the #Gamergate drama claiming that the backlash to Brianna's game had resulted in death threats and that Brianna had to flee thier home for safety… In which they proceeded to give video interviews from the home.

Afterwards Brianna keeps getting interviews/giving unsolicited opinions on/about gamergate and how its all out to get Brianna.

Even to the point of running for an elected office and weaponizing moon rocks from orbit as part of Brianna's campaign.

So this topic along with mentions of Zoe Quinn and Antita Sarkeesian also are related to the #Gamergate scandal. Most likely because these three have a tendancy of framing the event as some sort of point of trauma and hostility towards them, and they need funding/influence to prevent future/ongoing harassment, which has been proven to not exist/be bunk over and over again.

thebigguy123 wrote:

As corny as it sounds, Gamergate needs to be dunked on more. Gaming and geek culture have serious issues about gatekeeping and ganging up on those trying to call it out will only give them a point. "SocJus" didn't come from a vacuum, and in fact, they have a point: look at the toxic, sexist work culure of companies like Riot Games and Ubisoft. Harassment towards women there is not uncommon and was kept under wraps for years. Everytime people called it out, they're ganged up on online for daring to "slander" their idols and sometimes for being "bossy" women.

As sleazy as Zoe Quinn seems, Gamergate has become the worse evil. It's clearly not about ethics anymore, it's about keeping progressives quiet.

>infamously woke companies keep turning out to be full of rapists
>this proves we need more woke shit

>companies GamerGate criticizes keep turning out to be full of rapists
>this proves GamerGate is the worse evil

Who could have seen this coming?

I can't wait until the game journos who spent the past 5 years calling every critic of Blizzard a white supremacist incel start dropping their hot takes on how this proves gamers are evil.

Did you know that Yahoo is comparing the Activision Blizzard sexual harassment case to GamerGate? There's a Yahoo article by Daniel Howley about the Activision Blizzard sexual harassment scandal, saying that GamerGate is a notorious hate group targeting female game developers and gamers under the guise of ethics in games journalism while 50% of gamers are women.

Talk about beating the same dead horse that's been dead for 7 years.

Square Memester wrote:

Did you know that Yahoo is comparing the Activision Blizzard sexual harassment case to GamerGate? There's a Yahoo article by Daniel Howley about the Activision Blizzard sexual harassment scandal, saying that GamerGate is a notorious hate group targeting female game developers and gamers under the guise of ethics in games journalism while 50% of gamers are women.

Talk about beating the same dead horse that's been dead for 7 years.

>Talk about beating the same dead horse that's been dead for 7 years.

yet someone made a new gamer gate thread in 2021

Bookie wrote:

>infamously woke companies keep turning out to be full of rapists
>this proves we need more woke shit

>companies GamerGate criticizes keep turning out to be full of rapists
>this proves GamerGate is the worse evil

Who could have seen this coming?

I can't wait until the game journos who spent the past 5 years calling every critic of Blizzard a white supremacist incel start dropping their hot takes on how this proves gamers are evil.

I also remember many anti's who got exposed as some type of creep. Very ironic considering so many of them grandstanded about GG being awful.

@SolidusNat
That's probably because many opposed to GamerGate used to say "GG is dead" back in the day, but now will talk about this like it's really important.

Garde wrote:

Just in case, because it's been almost 7 years of this, and new readers may not be up to speed (the #gamergate article is dense)

Brianna Wu got involved with the #Gamergate drama claiming that the backlash to Brianna's game had resulted in death threats and that Brianna had to flee thier home for safety… In which they proceeded to give video interviews from the home.

Afterwards Brianna keeps getting interviews/giving unsolicited opinions on/about gamergate and how its all out to get Brianna.

Even to the point of running for an elected office and weaponizing moon rocks from orbit as part of Brianna's campaign.

So this topic along with mentions of Zoe Quinn and Antita Sarkeesian also are related to the #Gamergate scandal. Most likely because these three have a tendancy of framing the event as some sort of point of trauma and hostility towards them, and they need funding/influence to prevent future/ongoing harassment, which has been proven to not exist/be bunk over and over again.

Speaking of Brianna Wu who won't let go of GamerGate…

Lenny Guy wrote:

I also remember many anti's who got exposed as some type of creep. Very ironic considering so many of them grandstanded about GG being awful.

@SolidusNat
That's probably because many opposed to GamerGate used to say "GG is dead" back in the day, but now will talk about this like it's really important.

I only know about MovieBob because of the Anita and Lindsay snubs (the Anita one is especially hilarious because she was obviously only in it for the money and/or attention herself, not sure about Lindsay Ellis though but after having to deal with Doug Walker, I can't say I blame her for not putting up with another creep), who else was exposed?

mattwo wrote:

I only know about MovieBob because of the Anita and Lindsay snubs (the Anita one is especially hilarious because she was obviously only in it for the money and/or attention herself, not sure about Lindsay Ellis though but after having to deal with Doug Walker, I can't say I blame her for not putting up with another creep), who else was exposed?

Mombot, now retired, had a list back in 2017 of offenders which got combined with the "Reset the clock" meme of Pacific Rim.

I think there's more, but I don't know if DeepFreeze has it out, or if it was just us going "And heres another one that was caught and charged" and explained why it was related because the Jurno at the time was trying to say #Gamergate was an attack on women.

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Garde wrote:

Mombot, now retired, had a list back in 2017 of offenders which got combined with the "Reset the clock" meme of Pacific Rim.

I think there's more, but I don't know if DeepFreeze has it out, or if it was just us going "And heres another one that was caught and charged" and explained why it was related because the Jurno at the time was trying to say #Gamergate was an attack on women.

Link is broken.

mattwo wrote:

Link is broken.

Its an archive.fo link. Your isp or DNS may be blocking it (Cloudflare was known to do that). I also re-editied if to correct a typo.

Here's the raw just in case you need to copypaste:

https://archive.fo/aYo20

Big names include Joss Wheadon (the Director), and Matt Conn (founder of GaymerX).

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This article from TechRaptor, which backed Gamergate back then denounces it as alt-right early on.

r/KotakuInAction users brigade r/Games to vent their rage at TechRaptor.

Some real zingers from there:

I remember they were one of the sites that would post weekly stories about Zoe Quinn and how bad women in gaming were.

Holy shit LMAO

I bet at least 75% of the allegations turn out to be some "microaggression" bullshit that California is giving credence to because it's fucking California. The one that already stands out is "the men would horse around while the women did all the work!" Yeah, there's absolutely know way that is anywhere near true

Actual Blizzard-Activision apologists

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@thebigguy123
Your links are messed up, and explain better later one because r/KotakuInAction forbids anyone that goes on brigading/crusading, those rules may even lead to ban.

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Journalist Charles Arthur thought's on Gamergate

Even someone goes on to lie about Eron Gjnoi after 7 years.
TheZoePost is still there, btw

Which led to other checkmarks like
Dr Charlotte Lydia Riley getting involved

Thread is still there but some of Charles tweets are deleted
Other thread, but a QT to Jonathan Capps from the previous link above
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In light of Blizzard, the lawsuit includes anti-GamerGate articles from Time and NYT as part of the evidence.

I know there are other evidences in the lawsuit, but these two won't help to win against Blizzard.
Not to mention that the Blizzard claimed to be Anti-Gamergate back in 2014 with all that narrative they pushed.

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thebigguy123 wrote:

This article from TechRaptor, which backed Gamergate back then denounces it as alt-right early on.

r/KotakuInAction users brigade r/Games to vent their rage at TechRaptor.

Some real zingers from there:

I remember they were one of the sites that would post weekly stories about Zoe Quinn and how bad women in gaming were.

Holy shit LMAO

I bet at least 75% of the allegations turn out to be some "microaggression" bullshit that California is giving credence to because it's fucking California. The one that already stands out is "the men would horse around while the women did all the work!" Yeah, there's absolutely know way that is anywhere near true

Actual Blizzard-Activision apologists

So like how Kotaku was praising games made by 4chan back in 2011, before Gamergate?

A long time ago I was weary of the gatekeeping in geek and nerd culture in regarding to things that I was passionate about, and figured that a larger fandom would mean better support for the particular thing. These days I recognize how absolutely wrong that line was.
Gatekeeping is necessary because of a cycle that I see way too often occuring:
>Outside group feels excluded from this now, relatively, popular, or growing in popularity activity, that has it's own sub culture revolved around it.
>Outside group forces the sub-culture to accept them and allow them in, often through coercive measures (public shaming, accusations of "isms" or "phobias").
>Once in, while simultaneously being mostly half-heartedly committed to the new sub-culture (after all, they aren't there because they are passionate about the medium, they are largely there because they felt excluded), the former outside group begins to demand gradual changes to the medium to better suit them.
>Because there is an often economic (and social) incentive that drives these mediums and the sub-cultures around them, the demanded changes begin to get implemented, with the hopes that the new group, would commit economically.
>These changes are often poorly received by the old-inside of the sub-culture, often removing or subverting the very things that made the inside group be so committed in the first place.
>Any resistance to the changes are deemed as one of the isms, or phobias, and the old group is gradually kicked out, or no longer as passionate about the medium.
>This creates a cycle, a looping effect: The dedicated whales of the sub-culture, the ones that invest economically into the medium gradually are being removed from the sub-culture, simultaneously, the new-guard (the former outside group) is not yet fully dedicated, often hardly dedicated at all. As the profit margins for the medium begins to start going down, the knee-jerk reaction is to appeal to the group that is the least dedicated, with the presumption that the whales will keep on spending. More and more changes get implemented to get better commitments out of the new-guard, while it inevitably is pushing out the old. And because of the "quarterly cycle" of our economy, long term thinking is a bit discouraged.*
>At a certain point the medium enters a threshold that it is no longer able to keep up with the economic drop offs, and you start seeing a dwindling amount of money coming in. This is the phenomenon that is often seen as "Go woke go broke".
>As the medium begins to gradually die out, the old-guard begins to latch unto something new, once again creating an inside and outside group dynamic. The new guard, which, often, comes into the sub-culture because of a desire to be part of the in-group if nothing more, also begins to exit in droves, and once again the cycle is repeated.

For the medium, a fork in the road happens around this time. Do they milk whatever is left of the sub-culture, or make a painful attempt to get back to the roots of what made the sub-culture so dedicated in the first place.

We've seen this dynamic happen time and time again with not just industries, but fandoms as well. And the larger the industry the longer it takes to reach the fork in the end, but do not mistake that it will happen.

Sub-Cultures are not something to be dismissive of either. Fandoms are not just little clubs that have little meanings. And it is not at all absent to anyone that looks at sub-cultures with critical view to understand that they function, whether intentionally or not, often like an actual larger societal cultures. With it's own set of social rituals, it's own set of languages, phrasings, aesthetics. Fandoms are a sub-culture within a sub-culture and it also has it's own set of rituals, language, aesthetics. All of these things drive to reinforce an identity of the inside group, and differentiate from the outside group. In a way. It's your tribe. Your tribe may share a pantheon with other tribes, but your tribe's totem (Dr. Who) takes precedence over the other tribe (Star Trek), yet you both can socially get along over a lot of things (love for sci-Fi) and can share and partake in each other's cultures.

In the more music-scene orientated sub-cultures, the term "poser" is often used for the outsider that isn't really part of the inside group but is pretending to be for social clout. They aren't dedicated to your totems (goth, synth, punk music), they just like a fragment of it (the aesthetic), while dismissing much of the rest of the elements (DIY, alternative-lifestyles, existentialist focus, etc).

In relation to Gamergate what you saw was in a way, a group of posers (game journalists) who were only partially dedicated to the medium they claim to be part of (games), starting to get called out for their lack of commitment (in a broad sense), and recognizing that being banished from this tribe means economic and social devastation, responded with the only weapons they knew would resonate extremely well with broader society, and the economic engines that drove those subcultures (the isms, the phobias).

It is no surprise to me that this began roughly around the time of the worst parts of our economic downturn in the early 2010s. Many of these journalists didn't want to be in the sub-culture, but they didn't have many prospects outside of the sub-culture, so they were economically and socially dependent on the elites of sub-culture, but not enough to be as dedicated. For them being called out, means that there is a direct social and economic risk to their livelihoods.

It also didn't help that this emerged around the time of the Occupy Wallstreet movement, a movement who's goals were an abject failure, but who's very existence scared the shit out of the wider-societal elites. The societal narrative rapidly changed from economic devastation, to social-justice revolved around identity politics. The "isms" and the "phobias", were extremely potent weapons.

In hindsight, I don't think people recognize how large of a societal impact Occupy and Gamergate on broader culture as we know it – and how it manifested itself even years after it was done with.

@Gargus
You
Don't really know much about Jason Schreier's past lol
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Wall Street Journal: A gender-bias suit against Activision Blizzard shows that seven years after GamerGate, allegations of misconduct toward women in the sector persist
good luck going in the article because it's paywalled

Apparently Gamergate is the cause of the Blizzard-Activision scandal. Even though the allegations predates Gamergate

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It's in the interpretation and manipulation. Because the #gamergate is used as a footnote in the articles without any explination other than a sentence to a paragraph or a link to an unsupported article that states what gamergate "is" ie: spoiled neckbeards in their parents basement, a bunch of Pepe weilding meme lords using taliban terrorist threats on women in the gaming workplace (thanks CSI:SVU & Logan Paul), an Isis of Hitlers, Bernie Bros, Trumps Secret army…

This articles explination of Gamergate is inaccurate and used to build the rest of narrative, it cements that gamergate is a source of toxcicity in a gaming workplace. #Gamergate was/is about the gaming audience getting tired of being used as a scapegoat for poor marketing/target audience research and business decisions.

Gamers want gameplay and entertaining stories? "Nah give them a progressive point of view and make them feel bad for being male, if they complain or crituqe, it will be relabled as sexist!"

Now the existing narrative has shifted Gamergate to be redefined (for the what, the 50th time?) as pre-existing "Major Cooperation Fratboy Culture" and by Brianna… Again.

It's not that "it's #Gamergates Fault", it's that Gamergate is incorrectly defined and used as a foundation for the article to link it to the current day scandals.

Brianna's been pushing this narrative hard since the FBI report that exhonerated the #Gamergate movement. But because #Gamergate was a movement, it can't sue for Libel and Slander.

TL;DR: Article uses listen and believe tactics about #Gamergate to sell a narrative without verification as to how it's related.

As to why it's in this thread? Gamergate is mentioned in the article therefore it can be discussed here as it pertains to the matter of #Gamergate.

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thebigguy123 wrote:

As corny as it sounds, Gamergate needs to be dunked on more. Gaming and geek culture have serious issues about gatekeeping and ganging up on those trying to call it out will only give them a point. "SocJus" didn't come from a vacuum, and in fact, they have a point: look at the toxic, sexist work culure of companies like Riot Games and Ubisoft. Harassment towards women there is not uncommon and was kept under wraps for years. Everytime people called it out, they're ganged up on online for daring to "slander" their idols and sometimes for being "bossy" women.

As sleazy as Zoe Quinn seems, Gamergate has become the worse evil. It's clearly not about ethics anymore, it's about keeping progressives quiet.

I say it doesn't because honestly outside of the usual article going "Muh GamerGate" and people going "REEE SJW's" and whatever, GamerGate was nothing more than two nerds screeching at each other. We don't need to dunk on GamerGate or defend it to out and criticize Riot Games and Activision for their toxic workplace culture or having some employee commit suicide. And as someone that was pro-GG to simply seeing it as "autistic screeching of both sides" (for lack of a better term) GamerGate is nothing more than that. Just screeching, not keeping progressives quiet since that's better done on other places.

The quoted post has been deleted.

Excuse the double post I'm making but at the very least with how he could corroborate with people, wouldn't he of at least had enough back then or at least get a whistle blower to help bring Activisions shitty workplace culture to light?

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Excuse the double post I'm making but at the very least with how he could corroborate with people, wouldn't he of at least had enough back then to piece something together or at least get a whistle blower to help bring Activisions shitty workplace culture to light?

^Sanakan_ht
All I'm familiar with Schrier was a dumb take he made about some big breasted anime sorceress being "lolicon" despite not really hitting any of those buttons and having a slapfight with the game's artist.

The quoted post has been deleted.

Excuse the double post I'm making but at the very least with how he could corroborate with people, wouldn't he of at least had enough back then to piece something together or at least get a whistle blower to help bring Activisions shitty workplace culture to light?

^Sanakan_ht
All I'm familiar with Schrier was a dumb take he made about some big breasted anime sorceress being "lolicon" despite not really hitting any of those buttons and having a slapfight with the game's artist. That said with whatever others are familiar with and all biases of GG aside, I wouldn't be surprised if some people aren't buying into his corroboration claim because of previously seeing articles he had that were as you mentioned more than whatever journalistic thing he did that was of good quality.

To expand the post that thebigguy123 has said.

The Techraptor editor is known to be Sam (@SGulgi) who is also a moderator in r/games, and has mentioned to gotten rid of the two interviews a few weeks ago regarding Gamergate.

Here are the archive versions:

An interview with Daniel Vavra: GamerGate and the gaming industry, which involves (@DanielVavra) in it.

How is Gaming Excluding Women? – An Interview with Liana K

Liana K (@redlianak) is not happy with TechRaptor memory-holed two of the interviews, and sees this as defamation due to being wrongly accused.

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I'm not going to dig up the exact sources because that would take a long time, but I believe you can find what you're looking for in the #gamergate article here in KYM, it's comment section, the images associated and the original 93 page locked discussion thread.

The exhoneration that Brianna was upset about though can he found here

It's a 172 page document of redacted information to protect individuals. It shows that investigations into the claimed harassment by gamergate didn't happen or had no grounds to be actual threats or danger to the claiments.

(Warning the following is long and from my recollection:)

As for threats that didn't happen. I might be misremembering, but in the case of Anita Sarkeesian, she was threatened a few weeks before gamergate even existed (couned by Alex Baldwin, aka Jayne Cobb) by a twitter account that only posted harassment against her and had no orher history. Further investigation into Anita before her Fem Freq series showed she was originally a pickup artist teaching men how to pick up women in bars.

As for Fen Freq in question… It promised a video series on women in video gaming and all the information that it provided was pretty much made up. A notable example was footage that was recorded by her livestream moderator playing himan and killing just the female characters, claiming that the game promoted violence towards women. It only delivered on 8 of the proposed 12 videos from the kickstarter asked for more funding and blamed the audience for pressure to perform/bigorty for not being happy with the "Finished" product.

Later Anita would host a discussion publically, cancel it due to claiming a bomb threat from #Gamergate, which prompted the afformentioned investigation.

As for Zoe Quinn: She reportedly slept with 5 guys and her current BF Eron Gjoni wrote about it in a blog called the quinspiracy. Internet aristocrat/Mr Mekour reported on the scandal. There was a minor outrage. Leigh Alexander wrote the gamers are dead article on gammasultra that got blogged everywhere… And the Streisand effect took hold. Leading to the coining if the revolt as Gamergate.

There was something with JohnTron and Zoe Quinn for an Mountian Dew Sponsored gamejam were it was cancelled due to Zoe proclaiming harassment by the management…

Later Zoe would create a Chuck Tingle Inspired game covered by taco bell that never took off…

Oh and she wrote a book in the whole thing called Crash Override Network that contradicts itself several times over. And still doesnt sell well. Crash Override Network also was the name if an anti-bulling foundation she created… That basically was a money embezzlement scheme. Where the employees wernt paid, the callers didnt receive any help. And Zoe took a planned vacation while claiming it was an emergency escape from negative harassment.

Leaked skype convos proved a bunch of this.

I can't say this "evidence" can satisfy the angle that you're looking for. Ie: pictures and timestamps in the GG archive ls Proving that the harassment was fabricated by the induviduals claiming the culprits were gamergate individuals. (There is one case with Brianna Wu screenshotting a drafed threat/negative review of
her game while still logged into her game admin account on steam)

But you're asking me to dig through 7 years of collected data. I know we taked about it though and it's here in this website.

You'll have to Verify this info yourself, however.

Better question is: which prominant names specifically? There's been several.

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About Schreier, he was accused of being initially silent about Tyler Malka's sexual assault accusations years ago, but asserted Chris Avellone's guilt after he was recently accused of similar things. Also, I have seen some people assert that Jason has inside sources at some companies. I recall that was used to explain that famous article he wrote about Anthem and why it was so terrible, for instance.

About the Blizzard lawsuit: the gamedropping part gives me the impression of "here's an unrelated internet controversy to help bolster our case against the company". I can only guess the reasoning used to justify that. It's tempting to still believe the accusations, though this makes me wonder how strong the case might really be.

Brianna Wu, at it again in a Kotaku article, using the Blizzard-Activision lawsuit as a self promote to talk about Gamergate.

And Wu unironically brings up about Revolution 60 btw

Your own periodical praised my work before Gamergate. “As the credits rolled for Revolution 60, Giant Spacekat’s science fiction spy adventure for iOS, I felt the familiar pang of loss I feel whenever a great game ends.”

"I wanted to develop more accessible, story-based games with women characters using Unreal. Instead my entire career became defined by Gamergate."

“It makes me crazy that people know me primarily from Gamergate. Not as someone who raised money to found an ambitious woman-led studio, not someone talented at engineering or game design, but as a victim of trolls."

I know this might sound crazy Wu, but have you ever take a look back like this one or this one and realize why your "entire career became defined by Gamergate."?

Lyde15 Tweet

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Less than a week now, another article has appeared revolving around Brianna Wu
Washington Post,: GamerGaters inundated her with death threats. Now some are apologizing -- and she forgives them. made by an intern Caroline Anders

This whole article is filled with holes and no verifications to it

The article goes on about the death threats back in 2015, the one where the FBI investigated, and blatantly lies about it as it was a true thing such as the skull guy or left out the part where the threat didn't even mention Gamergate at all, which is why the FBI made it non-credible.

Here's a Medium article retelling the whole 2015 incident on all sides, which talks about the skull guy

Aja Romano (@ajaromano) on about Gamergate

Brianna Wu (@BriannaWu) on Gamergate

And Aja will most likely make another article by somehow connecting Gamergate to how it affected Blizzard, not realizing that the big game company that is Blizzard are anti Gamergate and was the first big company to go against Gamergate

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News concerning Gamergate,

The folks controlling the wikipedia page want to relabel the title on its article from Contraversy to Harassment Campaign.

Prepare for the fallout, this might cause a few "But gamergate is harassment against women" trolls. When #Gamergate started it still is about Media and "Journalists" blaming the consumers for whatever bad fallout, ficticious or unfounded, occurs against their marketing.

Trust but verify.

Garde wrote:

News concerning Gamergate,

The folks controlling the wikipedia page want to relabel the title on its article from Contraversy to Harassment Campaign.

Prepare for the fallout, this might cause a few "But gamergate is harassment against women" trolls. When #Gamergate started it still is about Media and "Journalists" blaming the consumers for whatever bad fallout, ficticious or unfounded, occurs against their marketing.

Trust but verify.

Last edited Aug 20, 2021 at 11:31AM EDT

GenericFellow24 wrote:

I thought GamerGate occurred like 7 years ago, why do we need another GamerGate thread? It can't be that relevant.

People keep using it as a boogeyman and ascribing an increasingly absurd list of crimes to its name. GamerGate is only truly dead once garbage journalists and professional victims stop freaking out about it. Which could be never.

The fact that Wikipedia is only intensifying its dedication to presenting a false narrative about it, years after it ceased to be actually relevant, suggests to me that the self-victimization is a bubble that will eventually pop once the claims become too big to believe for all but the most zealous.

Spaghetto wrote:

People keep using it as a boogeyman and ascribing an increasingly absurd list of crimes to its name. GamerGate is only truly dead once garbage journalists and professional victims stop freaking out about it. Which could be never.

The fact that Wikipedia is only intensifying its dedication to presenting a false narrative about it, years after it ceased to be actually relevant, suggests to me that the self-victimization is a bubble that will eventually pop once the claims become too big to believe for all but the most zealous.

Any boogeyman aside, this thread also exist to look at whatever tweet or article made to keep linking how GamerGate led to the rise of Trump or some other thing that would make others roll their eyes.

Griff the Hoplite wrote:

We really are never gonna get the truth about Gamergate out

They antis have won the propaganda war and there is nothing we can do about it

Well, they had a lot of influence over what many big name outlets produced since the beginning. And a lot of people don't necessarily buy into that stuff. If one were to look at it that way, they could say that the anti's haven't won it. I'm not quite sure anyone has fully won so far. It's been a constant struggle of sorts that has died down a lot in recent years.

Evilthing wrote:

You know, I'd actually love to see a list of all the times gamergate has been mentioned as either a bogeyman or an unrelated article.

Would be interested to see that too, because last time I saw everybody ganging up on an article for mentioning GG, I had a quick look through said article and it turned out the title of the KYM post was very misleading.

Here's the article in question.

What's interesting about the actual content of said article is not just that it never actually attributes the Capitol incident to GG, but that it is otherwise consistent with several points advanced and repeated by the pro-GG crowd. Such as the fact that GG ended somewhere around 2015 and that journalists/Twitter users barely learned a thing from it. In particular, the article discusses how many still fail to grasp how anonymous mobs work and how they can spread a discourse/narrative by disguising themselves with irony. I already quoted this extract on this forum a while ago:

5) Politicians and the media must take online “ironic” racism and misogyny seriously

Gamergate masked its misogyny in a coating of shrill yelling that had most journalists in 2014 writing off the whole incident as “satirical” and immature “trolling,” and very few correctly predicting that Gamergate’s trolling was the future of politics -- the political wave that would essentially morph into the broader alt-right movement.

It's pretty clear that the article is not stating GamerGate is the root cause of the Capitol incident, but rather that it was one of the first major online events which was eventually used for political propaganda, just like Pizzagate was more or less the public beta test of QAnon. Judging by the amount of memes that are still trying to pass off casual racism as humor (see for instance the Midwit meme), the tactics that were first used by the alt right to hijack GG are still very much alive. So of course people are going to keep mentioning GamerGate as a significant precedent.

Lenny Guy wrote:

Well, they had a lot of influence over what many big name outlets produced since the beginning. And a lot of people don't necessarily buy into that stuff. If one were to look at it that way, they could say that the anti's haven't won it. I'm not quite sure anyone has fully won so far. It's been a constant struggle of sorts that has died down a lot in recent years.

I wouldn't be surprised if in the end, most people just gave a big fat "meh" to it all regardless of whatever side it seems like they'd pick. Like yeah, the average Joe hears it's all about ethics or misogyny but in the end he doesn't care much and if he saw someone sperg for or against GG, he'd think they'd just need to touch grass rather than screech about a bogeyman.

Happy 7 years of this stuff.

Special thanks to Adam "Jayne Cobb" Baldwin for coming up with the term #Gamergate in response to the Quinnspiracy Scandal and the resulting "Gamers don't have to be your audience," article by Leigh Alexander.

Without, the resulting aftermath and current discussion would not have existed.

Oh right, relevant article: Palatinate
Insinuates that the whole #gamergate scandal was obviousy a harassment campaign against women because the gaming industry is only 20% female, despite the claims of ethics in journalism.

So another re-write to the definition, again, and framing of the article.

Every article, so far, that redefines gamergate in order to be used as a framing device (aka mentions gamergate as a harassment campaign of some sort) has been proven to be subjective opinion treated as fact. Mostly due to this incorrect definition being the foundation of the whole article.

Last edited Aug 27, 2021 at 10:29AM EDT

Evilthing wrote:

By the way, what happened to that fruit company that supported gamergate and decided to make a small game out of it?

There were a few but the biggest one I rember was Oddtales and their project "The last night" which debuited at an e3 presentation in 2017, then people dug up that the developer supported gamergate and thier funding got pulled…

However it's still in development and according to the creator the reason for the lack of transparency was due to the fact that a lot of minimalistic cyberpunk sprite games with high end lighting seemed to be announced and launched mysteriously after the last nights debut and paraded during the dig up.

Relevancy: #Gamergate supporting Dev.

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