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Why do people willingly want to limit what they can do, say, or even think? I recently just accidentally met a group that reveled themselves to be a bunch of cry baby SJWs. I only stayed for a bit after out of pure curiosity and holy shit are they some of the worst fucking people on the planet.

It constantly feels like you're walking on egg shells, all they do is bitch about 'the other' and every little thing people do as a "micro aggression" anyone who disagreed with the hive mind would be attacked and shunned from the group, they basically use social justice as a way to bully others. They're allowed to what ever the fuck they want as long as the hive mind agrees but if you criticize them you're "toxic" and they cover their ears.

Why the fuck does anyone want to be associated with people who don't allow you to think the way you want to without harassment?

The only thing I can think of is simple acceptance from a group of like minded people.

Sad part is is that they aren't self-aware enough to realize that they've become the harassers.

Well as a former moderate SJW a couple of years back, for some SJWs probably like some Alt-righters they do genuinely believe in a cause and doing the right thing and are not aware of other fellow SJWs or alt-righters getting up into behaviour that is abusive or horrible.

There can also be feeling like you belong to a group that gets you or who you share some ideas supposedly with. Then it gets into a situation where it is easy to get in but hard to get out if you end up deep enough in there, especially if you know some secrets and they know all of yours.

And of course, some people after being apart of a group who feel disillusioned or rejected from it can make a huge leap to the exact opposite of that former group they were apart of since I guess is for revenge but also be apart of something again but this time with people who you feel get you. How this turns out varies since it is still dealing with human beings with all the awesome, good, flawed, awful, petty, and downright stupid that you would expect.

I feel as though the alt-right is far worse than "SJWs", but not by much.

The case where somebody just up and decides to use politics as a bludgeoning weapon out of spite is very rare.
In most cases, extremists are either following the example of their company or were originally moderates who got dragged into echochambers.

The one idea you can trust extremist groups to push is that their political enemies outright cannot be reasoned with. News and stories that they share amongst themselves are always the most outrageous examples of their opposition, who gradually become painted as horrible people without normal human values. The more evil the enemy supposedly is, the more they are motivated to push the narritive.

Outrage culture has always existed but it’s more visible and more potent in a time where people can chose any kind of social space they want. Social media filters by what people want to see and not what they need to hear, and it’s impossible for anyone to stop the circle jerk in that kind of environment. Eventually they care more about wishing death on their enemies than giving anyone a better life.

I don't think they really choose to be one, it's more that they're influenced by their environment.

The thing is both of the ideals of both sides are noble. SJWs want everyone to be treated fairly. Alt-Right wants everyone to be able to speak freely. etc etc. However they're blinded by their ideals and don't realize that they're their own worst enemy. Being vitriolic is the exact opposite of effective ways to get people on your side. But when people see their own actions as being justified, they get really worked up when people refuse to accept it.

This is the most fucking KYM-core thread I can imagine

People like to hang around like minded people. If people keep saying the things they like, they’ll stick with them. Case in point look at /pol/ sure it has some self awareness but it’s just filled with people circle jerking about the same topics day in and day out. It is even more apparent when they believe in a subject or topic and are willing to push said topic onto others who disagree with them. Basically saying SJWs and Alt Righters are just two groups who are the same just with different agendas and different buzzwords they like to hurl around.

The thing is, you don't really get to choose what you believe in. Nobody wakes up in the morning and says, "You know what, I think I'll be an SJW now", or whatever ideology. When you subscribe to an ideology, it's not you choosing your system of beliefs, it's putting a name to beliefs you already have. Your beliefs will likely shift over time, perhaps drastically or maybe only slightly, but that's not really out of a choice you made exactly.

Sense of identity.

People adopt an SJW mentality.

People are shoe-horned into Alt-Right. (What does Alt-Right mean or stand for anyways?)

Big difference between the two.

You're missing all the blatant ecchi anime fanart everywhere.

Well, the alt-right from what I remember from a conservative friend who watched it for a bit did say that it is pretty loose group like SJWs (in my experience).

Like the one thing that they had in common was disliking the popular/mainstream conservatives due to seeing them as incompetent, not conservative enough, or corrupt.

Aside from that, there isn't much other than their opponents and the established conservatives who they want to replace that unites them really. Again, actually like SJWs since even tvtropes noted how Tumblr in their YMMV page has this:

"Within the social justice circle, there will be a fight between bloggers who lean more towards a certain issue. It's not uncommon to see black SJWs fight with gay SJWs over homophobia in rap, or black SJWs proclaim that Asian pop steals from black culture and angering Asian SJWs in return, and black SJWs fighting amongst each other about how offensive the newest black comedian is, et cetera, et cetera. Even within the LGBTQ circle of bloggers, there are debates over whether or not cis members of the community should have as much as a voice due to the issue of trans* erasure, and you'll see radical feminists fight with transgendered bloggers, with the radical feminists accusing transgendered people of crudely pretending to be female or abandoning their femininity. Feminism, in general, tends to be a minefield, as well, when bloggers aren't being harassed by angry MRAs and trolls.
WOC feminists versus white feminists, though the hate is usually one-sided. WOC feminists hate white feminists for considering themselves separate from white male oppressors, citing racist feminists during the first wave of the feminism movement, while white feminists ally with POCs more than white people on issues of race, considering intersectionality to be important."

Both from what I can tell are pretty much reactions to the world not being perfect, not getting better or ideal in their eyes. Thus taking matters into their own hands, even if it means fighting with people that are technically on their side but due to differing priorities, beliefs, values, measures and relationships will inevitably fight since in some of their eyes

I think, generally speaking, it's extremely easy to be captivated by either sides especially as an impressionable 14-18 year old and if you basically gave into tribalism those years, it's kinda hard to grow out of it and admit that your worldview has been shaped into something that's rather, dangerous to say the least.

I can give examples from myself, when i was 15 ish for 3 solid years i was basically tricked into tribalism completely, decided to go with the "counter culture hype" bs that made me feel like i was smarter than i was and "more woke" than i was. I used to use pejoratives like "SJW" or even the cringier ones like "snowflake" to try and dismiss arguments just based on a couple out of context lines, basically i used to do all the things i notice people who tend to align with alt-right or at least counter-culture groups are doing nowadays. I stopped using even "SJW" altogether and yea i guess it still applies but it's too much of a meaningless pejorative at this point, just say regressive leftist instead.

I don't mean to sound smart or knowledgeable here, i really am not lol but i think it's because, our brains inherently chase this high we feel once we think we are smarter than others/better than others. Like it's probably something to do with old tribalistic instincts? That was used back when anyone not from your tribe was your enemy? I'm basically saying all this with zero scientific evidence so don't think i know what i'm talking about here lol, but i think this high and sense of superiority people tends to feel when they believe they aligned themselves with the correct tribe is what causes them to barely, if ever self reflect or question their beliefs. And basically once you aligned yourself strongly, you're just gonna keep chasing that feeling of superiority and belonging, which can easily cause people to buy into extremely unscientific and out of context "evidences" used by these sides to trick themselves into believing what they're saying holds merit and everyone else is basically worthless and useless for not feeling the same way. Course this all may just be bullshit and useless information cause as i said i have zero actual evidence to back this up, and if it is feel free to discard it.

Contrarianism and echochambers? It really comes down to what the person in question has been exposed to, wether that be right or left leaning political bias or bad experiences with the opposing political spectrum.

Wether or not you believe in Horseshoe theory is up to you

A generation ripe with anxiety and depression with access to social circles that can be tightly controlled to keep wrong thinkers put. This is a recipe for ideological extremism. And any group that is vehemently opposed to opinions or thinkers outside the group is forced to undergo a purity test within their own ranks. SJWs emerged first, largely as a reaction to certain economic and social events to emerge out of the early 2010s.

But I believe we are at the end of the cycle le. SJWs have become so puritanical, their demands so unrealistic that they have largely isolated themselves from the rest of the population. Meanwhile, utterly aimless and without a clear purpose the alt right fractionalized during late 2016 and early 2017, culminating in the great Tiki Torch March that splintered the movement erevocably. As such alt right views have become synonymous with white nationalism, racism and neo Nazis, which is rejected by most people.

As economic prosperity emerges, I would bet a good chunk of these people are going to move on from all this. But we shall see.

You don't choose to become one. Simpletons on the internet who don't like their opinion simply need a buzzword to describe them.

There is no discussion on this topic, if you unironically use these terms you are just being an idiot.

100% agree with the SJW becoming just a meaningless pejorative, but, the Alt-Right is applicable at times because that's what people themselves actively identify as. It's not just a word others created to demean people it's an alignment a lot of people self-identify as.

And there's still many debate on what Alt-Right actually is as people who say they're Alt-Right give different answers ranging from downright nazism to simply an alternative to the traditional American Right. Still since people actively identify as it, it's not just a pejorative in my opinion. SJW is 100% a meaningless buzzword tho there is zero debate on that.

I think the SJW term is kind of a habit since progressives and regressive left is the other term that is used but not as often, most people who would fall under the term for either progressives, Regressive left or SJWs for most folks don't use those the latter two due to them knowing that they're insults.

Like not many of them even use progressives to describe themselves that much, basically using any other phrases like feminists, anti-fascist and many other mundane terms. There really isn't any term like Alt-right that they made for themselves. So that is why SJW is a more common term used for em since it is the oldest term out of Progressive and Regressive Left and already has a list of negative traits (replaced any positive or neutral terms that it did have before 2010) associated with anyone who is Left, PC or liberal especially during Gamergate where the term SJW was pretty cemented in the internet's mind.

That and humans love to organize and label things into different categories especially if there is enough big and small differences to warrant it.

No one identifies as a SJW. It's meant to be an insult, a name that denotes someone spreading hate and trying to restrict freedom under the guise of progression. It would be like saying "Why would anyone even want to be a Douchebag?"

There are people who absolutely 100% identify as both of those terms. They see it as a positive. I've seen so many people in public who wear shirts that will literally just say "i'm an asshole, deal with it". I've also seen many twitter users with the description of SJW in their bio, unironically.

It's all ideology crafted to have the masses squabbling amongst themselves and most of it comes from the top down. Follow the money. It's basically no different from organized religion in that it encourages a lot of lower thought that keeps people dumb and oblivious to the real ways of the world. With that said I used to buy into some of that feminist and "I don't see race" stuff but I blame it on bad schooling and the media, and eventually snapped out of it to become a more grounded person, but not before reflexively delving into the jq of course before realizing that the truth behind ideologies is deeper and more fundamental than that still. Now I keep my distance from all these kinds of terms that are ideological in nature and just try to be logical.

I honestly don't want to believe you about SJW twitter bio thing but given all the shit that has happened in the recent few years as well as actually seeing people admitting to liking being assholes to people because it is fun… I will likely believe that it is true no matter how much I want to doubt it.

Ugh, "normal" is just a word in the dictionary~

I have seen the term "anti-sjw" flying around a lot in the past year from those same people, basically confirming that they completely ignore that they are considered toxic extremists of an movement that supposedly has good intentions. It's not any different than being an alt-righter and defending free speech while silencing "the libtards".

Well… I'm not an SJW but I sympathize enough with many ideas they support (Though ironically they sabotage these things) so I can tell you this much: Seems they want to be SJWs because they simply want to see less bigotry towards people of other races, sexual preferences etc. as well as supporting policy that aids them as well as aids the disabled.

I think those are good things to support (And it's hard for me not to, as I myself am a Lesbian) but they become overzealous and distracted by ideology and simply have no sense of actual judgement. It pisses me off because they're really aiding the Alt-Right in many ways. All they've done is push people away from Liberalism, granted many SJWs themselves have themselves moved away from Liberalism and instead moved towards Socialism & Communism… ugh modern politics suck.

Late to the party but I may as well repeat what some said: it's likely being influenced by your environment and being a part of echo chambers.

All that said, one would become one or the other due to sharing similar politics and ideas with others. Can't say much else since I'd rather not bother with either group beyond either cringing at them or laughing at some sort of idiocy.