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Before this becomes a shitflinging fight I put it here and not riff raff cause it's a semi-serous thread, but not serious enough for the serious debate thread. If you are going to argue with someone do so in a manner that is becoming a grown adult and not being a dick wolf or a tumblrina or such. Also don't bait a fight.

What this thread is for is basically a general place to talk about religion, be it your personal beliefs, news or other stuff going on. I'm not going to say that you can't try to get someone to join your religion or such, but rather don't be a fucking twat. It's pretty obvious what I mean; basically if you try and talk someone into joining you can go "well this is what we believe" or talking about personal stories about stuff or etc, etc.

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I'll get started with a discussion:
I don't think religion is dying or that in the future 100% of the world is going to be one religion. Something shitty sadly a lot of countries still do is that from birth you're designated as one religion and that you're legally forbidden from ever changing your religion. They don't technically persecute other religions, but rather even if you later in life believe something completely different because on your birth certificate was listed as the religion of your parents you will never be legally recognized as something else.

This makes determining how many people of different religions in the world there are VERY difficult for any actual sort of scientifically done census. It'd be like if every single Caucasian person was automatically listed as Christian regardless of their actual beliefs; it would make things really hard to tell how many actual Christians there are. The only way we'd ever be able to tell 100% if all religious discrimination ever stopped.

I worship Nurgle, does that count?

Edit: in a more serious manner at what point is something a religion?

can I shit post Jordan Peterson memes here?

Not sure, but I can tell you the difference classification wise between a cult and a religion.

A cult from a technical standpoint is a religious group that through physical violence to keep members. Like the reason why scientology is considered a cult in so many areas of the world is that a decade ago they were caught red handed chasing down people escaping with attack dogs.

On the other hand my religion, despite how many claim it to be a cult, cause we don't do anything violent and don't intimidate people to stay or give money or such we're classified as a religion.

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A cult, "How about some koolaid?"
A religion, "Praise insert diety here"

Well you gotta understand what religion is at its core.

It could be "the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods"

Or

"a particular system of faith and worship."

"a pursuit or interest to which someone ascribes supreme importance."

Now it stands to reason that the first definition will at some point die out, as i doubt that superstition and belief in the supernatural can continue on forever.

But as for religion that falls under the last two, oh yeah, it will most certainly continue to exist far FAR into the future. It doesn't require any kind of belief in the supernatural or paranormal. All it requires is that a person or people obsessively pursue a goal or place an extreme, almost irrational amount of importance on an individual or an idea. That is something that i don't think humans will ever stop doing.

(Fuck you, I'm serious debating this thread and you can't stop me!)

I have several personal beliefs regarding God or Gods in general. I'll try to be as respectful as possible but I do have some legit gripes with religion.

1.) I would call myself an Agnostic Atheist, which I define as not rejecting the possibility of a God, but not assuming one exists until given reason to believe one does, the same way I don't assume there is a Teacup in orbit. You can throw as many philosophical arguments about how the Universe must have a creator, but that will not convince me your version of that creator is the correct one.

2.) So long as you don't try to affect my life because of your beliefs, or do atrocious crimes against humanity because of them, I don't care if you're religious or not. Not in the way that I wouldn't listen to your beliefs, but I'm not going out of my way to decry them, so long as you don't try to decry my lack of belief.

3.) I personally believe that if a creator deity exists, we humans know nothing about it and every religion trying to describe it is wrong. Such a being would be beyond the scope of what humans could presently understand. Even if it did contact humanity in the past, people would make assumptions or change details to suit themselves and thus would be unreliable after such a long time. Related, I also don't feel that Christianity/Islam have anymore chance of being correct than the Egyptian/Greek Pantheon just because it's believers better survived the test of time and spread their religion better.

4.) I also assume such a being would also not care about whether or not we knew, believed or worshiped it, and would probably not even subscribe to our version of morality, meaning if some sort of Heaven or Hell exists, what gets you into Hell would be largely unknown to us.

That said, even if it did judge us based on our own morals, I believe any God that could be described as fair and benevolent would not condemn a soul to an eternity of Hell for anything less than the most heinous of crimes. Any fair and kind God would not send one to Hell for being gay, a non-believer or stealing a Gameboy as a kid, but for things like rape and murder, and even then, I feel Hell wouldn't be an eternal punishment. Infinite punishment for finite crime and all. I fully believe the Christian version of Hell was devised solely as a tool to keep believers in line.

5.) (Warning: Now for the offensive "Fedora" opinions) In regards to religion in general, I believe you can judge the validity of a religion by how much it asks of it's believers. Any religion that asks it's believers to follow a strict set of rules and to always listen to authorities of said religion was most likely created and/or modified from it's original form into something designed to control the masses, as a tool for those in power to keep said power.

Even if this was not the initial intention of the religion, it's what it gets used for by those in power. No better way to control the masses then by drilling into their heads since they were children that if they don't follow these rules and respect these authorities, you will spend an eternity of suffering for it.

This has become less of a big deal in the western world as religious leaders lost the power over government they once had centuries ago, but for religions like Islam, it's still very much in effect. Sorry if this opinion offends your beliefs, I'm not saying your whole religion is a sham or was created to control you, but that religion was used and manipulated throughout history as a tool for power and what made it into the holy book and what changes happened throughout history reflect that.

6.) Related, I find it super weird and suspicious that the Bible is supposed to be the one true word of God yet we have historical evidence of a group of people picking and choosing what books and stories make it in or not. This kind of validates my above opinion for me.

7.) Lastly, in regards to the future of religion, at some point, Christianity is going to have to face the fact that a good portion of the Bible and it's morals are no longer acceptable in modern society. Stoning children, rules of slavery, men owning women, man shall not lie with man, stuff like this that is currently swept under the rug with people picking and choosing what to believe will eventually, once belief rates in the west hit low enough, be called out on.

How badly it will be called out, I do not know, but I can see at some point in the future, once being Christian is no longer the norm in America, that an anti-religion social movement could form decrying the Bible as a whole and bringing the messed up stuff swept under the rug into public eye and hurt future believer rates significantly. Who knows, maybe I'm reaching here, but this is something I feel will happen eventually.

You may now tell me to tip my Fedora.

Religions are stupid but if you wish to follow one I ain't stopping you.

@Ryumaru
"5.) (Warning: Now for the offensive “Fedora” opinions) In regards to religion in general, I believe you can judge the validity of a religion by how much it asks of it’s believers. Any religion that asks it’s believers to follow a strict set of rules and to always listen to authorities of said religion was most likely created and/or modified from it’s original form into something designed to control the masses, as a tool for those in power to keep said power."
Oh speaking of which there are very well documented cases of stuff being added into the christian bible and taken out of the bible.

The most well known documented case of this was that up until I think 1821 most bibles contained the apocrypha.

I think I'm pretty moderate. I don't think apostates should be allowed in the government, but that's about it, I don't think they should be punished either. I have some apostate friends, and I don't judge them.

Honestly, I don't think apostates should suffer any consequences because they're a product of our time and it's not really their fault. Especially if they just keep it to themselves and don't tempt other people to turn from the righteous path. Fight the problem, not the victims. And a very common problem I see is faithful people being very passive, which I would argue is more of a problem than a person who doesn't know any better being an apostate.

It is time for people to stop be ashamed of worshiping our great lord. Nurgle needs us to fight against the forces of Tzeentch! Love and decay are not things to be ashamed of!

Also I don't think religion is going anywhere until maybe humans go extinct, memes never truly die after all. This is one of the reasons I think anti-theism is rather pointless also I think nihilism can be just as toxic or even more toxic than religion at it's worst (this is one of the reasons we must retain our faith in our Daddy).

I will say this though: I don't think the USA is going to go Muslim or that the USA is going to become Atheist.

Honestly I think the USA and Europe are going to go become pagan and other religions again. (no I'm not pagan, I get confused for one but no) Between 1990 and 2000 pagans had a 15x increase and in 2000 was 100000 in the usa; 2008 was about a million and while there isn't a recent study into how big they are in 2017 if they're growing so fast you get the point.

May we all be touched by his noodly appendage.

I used to have a friend that was rastafarian. He was ALWAYS baked.

"If you are going to argue with someone do so in a manner that is becoming a grown adult"
I shall make no such promise.

If religion does eventually die out it's going to a long long looooong time. But I think the seriousness of religions will die much sooner. These past few decades have hit religions pretty hard on the whole believing aspect. People now a days wouldn't sell their daughter for 3 cows and a goat, and if brought up the more obscure things that claimed to have happened in the bible Christians usually don't acknowledge it. A lot of them still believe Adam and Eve started the human race and they fit two of every animal in an Ark when God flooded the earth, but I think the things in that category would be next to be disregarded by the majority like the whole selling your daughter thing.

There are religions called The Church of the Latter-Day Dude or "Dudism", which is a religions base around living like the Dude from The Big Lebowski, and The Church Of Jediism which is and I quote "following the moral and spiritual codes demonstrated by the fictional Jedi." Jediism is an actual registered corporation and was even granted tax exemption. Obviously they don't believe Jedi's were real and that the events in Star Wars did happen a long time ago in a galaxy far way. They use the ideas in these movies as their moral philosophy to live life and I think that will become of all religions. They will start to believe less and less of the claims in the bible, or all religious books, and only take everything in them metaphorically the way Dudism and Jediism see the source movies. And even if they made 500 more God's Not Dead movies it wouldn't slow it down.

I kinda maybe wish there was some mainstream religion that was open to orgies and that bled into the global culture. I am probably joking.

Edit: I mostly have a morbid curiosity of what would happen.

Aztec priests had orgies to honor one of their gods or something like that. Like the entire personnel of the temples would be included, and there were a lot of people working in the temples.

Some pagans used to consider sex a holy act to be carried out as a ritual. While nowadays most pagans no longer fuck at mass there are still a lot that view sex as a holy act.

All modern neopagans are larpers. You can't be an authentic pagan today, these traditions were lost hundreds of years ago.

That would be like saying that you can't be a authentic christian nowadays cause you guys think that angels looked like human males, celebrate pagan holidays and how even your concept of hell comes from other religions and that in actuality the bible says very little about what happens to non-christians,

Once upon a time, i was an anti-theist. I was 16 and had just given up religion. I was angry, i felt betrayed. Like i had been living my life based on a set of standards for no good reason. I said and believed a lot of things that you typically only see said by fedora tippers.

But eventually I mellowed out and now I just consider myself an average run of the mill atheist. I came to the conclusion that it's not fair to judge an idea or set of beliefs based purely on its adherents, it should be judged on its own merit. And even if you find it to be wanting, that doesn't mean its adherents are bad people.

Its true religion has been used to do and justify a lot of fucked up things in the past. But that can be said for any idea with any kind of historical significance. So i try to remain respectful of religious beliefs, so long as they remain respectful too.

Like if your just sitting their, praying with a friend, im not gonna butt in and start an argument. If someone invites me to a bible study on campus, i'll respectfully decline. But if you decide to show up on campus to protest abortion and wave a sign with an image of a dead fetus on it, then i have an issue. If you decide to put down members of the lgbt community and use religion to justify it, then i have an issue.

No, it's absolutely not like saying that you can't be an authentic Christian. Christianity has existed uninterrupted since it was adopted. It's a living religion. Many generations of people before us believed the same thing and followed the same rites. Pagan faiths that were replaced are gone for good. In case of most faiths we don't even know everything our ancient ancestors believed the way we know about, say, Roman pantheism.

Neopaganism is the worst case of larping.

Truth.

Many of the versions of Christianity practice in the western part of the world are either Catholicism or one of its derivatives (Protestantism). These are altered versions of Christianity which incorporated many pagan beliefs and ideas in order to make it more appealing to the page tribes of Europe.

Like the whole kissing under the mistletoe thing, that's a Norse pagan tradition. Christmas and Easter were also derived from roman pagan religions too.

Now the original version of Christianity is called orthodox Christianity. Its practiced by eastern Europeans and Ethiopians. In eastern Europe when it was controlled by the eastern roman empire, emperor Constantine made the official state religion, so there was no need to heavily alter it, the people accepted it as it was. As for Ethiopians, i can't remember exactly why they practice it, but i think it has something to do with their ancient ties to Jerusalem. Apparently king Solomon and Queen Makeda had a brief romantic relationship, and she converted to Judaism, and then down the line the Ethiopians (known as the kingdom of aksum back then) converted to Christianity.

But yeah, tl;dr more to the point. Western Christianity is like, 70% Christianity, 30% pagan stuff

@memciki
"Many generations of people before us believed the same thing and followed the same rites."
You mean like the protocols on how much to sell your daughter for? Or that if children mock a prophet for being bald Yahweh will have them devoured by a bear?
:V

I'm getting a bit derailed, but anyway my point was that calling modern pagans not real pagans is like saying that catholics and protestants aren't real Christians cause they incorporate pagan beliefs.

Praise Jesus.

Ok

ok I think I'll butt in on here

I identify myself as Catholic but I think Ultimately I believe in moreso a spiritualism similar to The Native Americans. Primairly It's just Spirituality & Theism wise, I don't find myself agreeing to every verse in the bible in a literal fashion, my life is mostly secular, which is in part also caused by the fact I'm bisexual as well, delving into that while of course because of that I think the bible verses that promote homophobia shouldn't be followed and are p-much bs, I don't think it should be a requirement for queer people to not be religious even though a lot of religions do forbid homosexuality. I still believe in Jesus and what not, and a few of his teachings. I'm a loyal Christian I just don't think I belong in hell for loving people of the same gender.

speaking of being in hell, I personally believe that if there is a god, he is a mostly forgiving one, I do believe it is possible for people to go to hell and the existance of satan, but I believe most people go to heaven & you really don't go to hell unless your a brutal tyrant, mass murderer or generally spent your time on earth making the lives of people around you, yourself & perhaps the world itself a worse place. back to the forgiveness part, I personally believe that even people declared 'pagans'[for lack of a better term], and even atheists and satanists can go into heaven, as long as they were relatively decent people in life.

furthermore back to what I was originally saying but went on a tiny tangent about the above stuff, I do think the only reasonable way for a government to handle religion in the modern era is purely secularism. the banning or promotion of religion by the government simply doesn't work in modern times & is debatably a human rights violation. I do think society should maintain some religious-leaning laws that are more just common sense morals & natural law if anything that non religious people can agree with as well [I.E. 'Thou Shalt not Kill' 'Thou Shalt not Steal' etc], which are primairly the ones I follow myself.

back to what I mean by ultimately believing in a native american-esque spiritualism. While I can label myself as christian, I ultimately have spirtiual and personal beliefs outside of the christian faith. My Father did recommend me to read up on buddhism aside from just christianity, mainly due to him finding eastern philosophy and religion slightly better despite him spiritually believing in christianity as well. I find a lot of buddhist teachings to be decent and helpful, and furthermore spiritually I will admit aside from believing in God, Jesus, Heaven & Hell. I do admit to believing in ghosts/spirits, reincarnation[to a degree, I don't believe all people reincarnate but some do] & perhaps several afterlifes. A Friend of mine had a dream involving mars and saying that humans perhaps descended from Martians. I'll not describe nor do I agree with every statement he made, but I personally believe in the supernatural & believe his statements might be true to some degree. I don't think I'll describe much more and I don't personally want to get into some debate about this, perhaps I am insane but whatever.

as some final notes, admittingly I have dabled in existentialism, I do not discredit it at all but I do think I agree with it to an extent. I think at most pessimistic in spite of still being a theist I'd say Albert Camus is probably the one I can agree with the most on now-a-days, I think the world is to an extent, with our political instability & human nature…being itself, fucking absurd and people do the most absurd things I can barely comprehend. I think most people go through existential crisises in their lives, I kind of am going through one myself alongside mild depression, but It's moreso making me adopt neo-pagan[again, for lack of a better term] beliefs than atheistic ones, and I do believe people can conquer existential crises and become better people. on another note of existentialism, while I barely agree with his ideals, I think H.P. Lovecraft is one of my personal favorite writers and definetly an influence to me when it comes to being an aspiring writer.

Lovecraft's Life to me as well as many others, predominently friends, I think proves that one's experiences in life definetly make at least in part of who they are, if it wasn't for his family members dying brutally, not being religious from an early age & living an overall terrible life I think he wouldn't be the man he was. I can think of many friends who are quite similar, I know of a friend from washington who used to consider himself moderate left but after seeing a lot of the stupid things leftists do told me he became a republican, but now-a-days he considers himself a centerist after seeing the 'stupid sides' of both.

as a last note on religion in itself, while I think it can make people better people it can also make them worse, but ultimately it depends on how one interprets holy books, specifically who's in control of it. I can in part agree with ryumrau in that religion can be used for self-interested purposes, this can be seen in many places, from Medieval Europe to Islamic Monarchs, and don't think it's just exclusive to Christianity & Islam, though most common, other religions can use religion as a tool for propaganda, I do not personally the people in power are protected by god, at least not anymore than any other man, think similarly to John Locke, although it's not a common belief now-a-days, I reject 'Divine Right', especially considering most politiciains, throughout all of history, are pretty corrupt assholes. I personally don't want to set up a church for my somewhat complex views mainly due to wanting to do other things with my life & because I think I'd be probably ridiculed and that I think people will corrupt my teachings for their own self interest

however in spite of the above keep in mind that not just religion, but frankly ideology in general can be used as a tool for propaganda, and in modern day non-religious ideologies are perhaps far more common. this is why I think, unlike what pseudo-intellectual, stereotypical atheists might believe, that some global atheist state would not result in world peace & utopia. no we'd still have the same awful shit we deal with today, because not every bad thing in the world is caused by religion, it is not the root of all evil, if anything self-interest, arrogance, greed and what not are perhaps bigger roots. religion is not the primary cause of pollution, it is not the primary cause of poverty, it's not the only cause of war. it is pseudo-intellectual as hell to think that any world would just be perfect if they shared whatever asinine ideals you have. this goes for both theocracies and atheist states, the mortal world will never be perfect.

Apologies for my religious rambling, I went on a bit too many tangents , but in short my beliefs I'd say could be compared to that of John Locke, C.S. Lewis but also that of the Buddha & Native American Folklore. I consider myself Christian Ultimately, I believe the Christian God is ultimately the 'head honcho' of the universe, or at least mostly, and I do not feel like I should be ashamed of myself for being a christian, however said label as a christian might be more-so a simplification, as I believe in morals & even supernatural beliefs outside of what the bible says is true.

I know your works, that you are neither cold nor hot. I could wish you were cold or hot. So then, because you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will vomit you out of My mouth. (Revelation 3:15-16)

My religious beliefs in a nutshell: there is no such thing as a true god, no such thing as order or such. All that there is outside of our universe is constant dead or dying universes that our universe is a fluke that it's lasted so long. For every universe that lasts for a second there's probably a exa number of universes that didn't last even a second. For every universe that lasted two seconds there's probably a exa number of universes that managed to make it to a second that failed to exist to make it two seconds. There's probably constantly universes and realities constantly being created and probably almost all of them but a few ever make it this far.

What we call "gods" or shit like that probably are entities either smart enough to survive somehow in a seas of chaos where nothing makes sense or just to stubborn to die.

@YourHigherBrainFunctions So kind of like Rick and Morty but spiritual? Interesting, If you don't mind me asking do you believe in life after death?

When our universe dies ALL laws of physics goes right the fuck out of the window and is replaced with infinitely fast nonstop expansion. A universe with no laws of physics would be utter chaos with nothing making sense.

What I think the afterlife is, "OH GOD! Kill me! Kill me! I don't want to live in this! That dog I was looking at it's face burst forth with a million spiders and now the spiders are tapdancing singing 'welcome to the outerverse' and now they want me to buy their mix tapes of kidsbop songs"

"What I think the afterlife is, “OH GOD! Kill me! Kill me! I don’t want to live in this! That dog I was looking at it’s face burst forth with a million spiders and now the spiders are tapdancing singing ‘welcome to the outerverse’"

Pretty standard stuff rea…

and now they want me to buy their mix tapes of kidsbop songs”

Humanity is fucked, we must contact the God Emperor.

Speaking of philosophy and shit:
What I think good is:
The desire and attempt to help facilitate a person or a group of people's base living needs and to work towards ensuring that people aren't unfairly having those basic needs being taken away.

To put it another way inalienable rights are good and that if someone tries to take away someone's inalienable rights when said person they're trying to take it away from has done nothing then yes that person trying to take it away from others should be stopped.

Brutality is not strength, kindness is not weakness.

Oh cool the Yezidi are dropping several traditions that kept them from growing.

Several problems tradition wise the religion had was that they weren't allowed to marry outside of the religion, weren't allowed to come back and often times was only told orally.

"Who the fuck are the Yezidi?"
Simply put they predate Christianity. If the Yezidi didn't have the tradition of not marrying outside of their religion instead of Christianity being #1 the Yezidi would be #1 adherent wise.

"What the fuck are their beliefs?"
It's kind of similar abrahamic religions.
"What's the main difference?"
They believe the peacock angel Shaiten was the metaphorical messiah. More specifically that his tears would quell the anger and flames of you Christians would call God.
"How could someone think that Satan could be the messiah?"
Have you read the old testament? Old testament Yahweh was kind of a asshole.
Yezidi technically aren't satanists, but if you sit them down next to a luciferian (the main theistic sect of the satanism umbrella of beliefs) a lot of the religious beliefs are similar to each other.

Before someone starts going "nuh-uh I think you believe this so therefore you believe it" there's two main sects in what you would call satanism. Non-theistic satanism is mainly LeVayan satanism. Theistic satanism is a bunch of different little groups; theistic satanism thinks of satan as representing freedom, luciferianism thinks of lucifer as like prometheus, demonalatry thinks of demons as gods that Christianity called demons like how Baal was a god then Christianity moved in and started calling him a demon, Set are more of a sect of the egyptian religion, I already talked about the Yezidi.

Yay the Yezidi finally dropped their tradition that was nerfing their growth.

If you sit a dozen jewish people down at a table, a dozen christian people at the same table and a dozen muslim people at the same table and ask them to discuss their religious beliefs chances are a heated argument is going to happen in the next thirty minutes.

If you sit a dozen Yezidi people down at a table, a dozen theistic Satanists down at the same table, a dozen Luciferians down at the same table, a dozen demonalatry down at the same table, a dozen Setians down at the same table and so forth and tell them to discuss their religious beliefs a argument just isn't going to happen no matter how much you try and stir shit. If you tell them you'll give them cake if they start arguing they'll start arguing with you how that's morally wrong. If you think I'm joking the last time there was a major religious argument it was about non-profit status and the person who disagreed amicably left the temple and founded their own temple.

Since this is a religion discussion page.

We won the war on Christmas. Thanks to the God Emperor Trump, we are allowed to say "Merry Christmas" again. Western World = Christian World.

Merry Christmas, KYM!

Former Catholic, use to be quite the pious one, but I lost my faith in the church and gods long ago. Despite that, I still have a lot of admiration for most mainstream religions. They generally preach humility, goodwill, compassion, and other moral virtues which is always been swell by me.

I don't think religion will ever go away, and for the most part, I don't think that is a bad thing at all. Despite all the deplorable actions it has inspired throughout the ages and to this day, it has also inspired good in mankind. Heck, religion has inspired man to create some of the most beautiful works of arts, paintings, and architecture in history if nothing else.

In religion news:
http://news.gallup.com/poll/224642/2017-update-americans-religion.aspx?g_source=Politics&g_medium=newsfeed&g_campaign=tiles

Catholicism is shrinking in the USA at less than half a percent a year. Protestantism is shrinking at a little bit less than half a percent a year., Mormonism isn't shrinking or growing, Judaism isn't shrinking or growing, Islam isn't shrinking or growing. Other religions are growing at half a percent a year. Non-religious is growing at half a percent a year.

Short version: in about 26 years the USA will no longer be majority Christian. Around that time non-religious will account for about a third of the USA, Other religions will account for about 13%. Jewish and Muslims will be the same.

Anyone else here sick of how extremist sects of religions ruin them for everyone else?
Evangelicals, Wahhabism, Zionism, etc.
All the same extremists that refuse to admit they've committed the greatest sin of merging their religion with a political movement.

"Extremists" are literally the only people that follow their religion faithfully.

The "I disagree literally with everything and believe in nothing, and people who actually are religious need to adjust to me" folks need to just create their own religion.

No, really, being an atheist is probably less of a sin than being a hippy Christian. At least you're being your own thing and aren't trying to corrupt the already existing spiritual beliefs.

So your telling me that, for example, when people use religion to justify War, in spite of the 'thou shalt not kill' commandment most religions have, they're the only ones 'correctly' following god?

ya know if I'd have a dollar for every fucking time you were a goddamn christ-cuck/monarchist shill, I'd probably be able to send you back in time so you could be in an actual monarchy and see how 'wonderful' it was.

tldr neo-monarchists are honestly no better than edgy kids who want to live in Nazi Germany or the USSR…or both

That meme has been unfunny for years, it is literally just the atheist version of harambe or nyan cat at this point.

"Ya know I consider myself a moderate, but if your not christian you should be kicked out of government jobs and also people who are moderate should be punished"