"Toon Link is not going to come back in Smash Wii U, he is already driving the Spirit Train." Super Smash Bros. Series Sakurai Director's Room Pic of the day. When Toon Link joins the battle, Alfonzo is in charge of the train. Alfonzo: "Leave it to me!" 3DS "Mewtwo and Lucas are not going to come back in Smash Wii U, they are already Trophies and Trophies cannot be promoted to Fighters with DLC." Lucas Mewtwo Comes Out of Nowhere! Strikes Back! "Ryu from Street Fighter will never be in Smash, characters from traditional fighting games are not going to be in Smash, they don't fit in." "Third-Party companies can only have one character." "Third-Party companies can only have one franchise." Here Comes ANew Challenger! Ryu "Cloud is never going to be in Smash, he has no relation to Nintendo, his game was never released on Nintendo hardware." Cloud Storms Into Batie "Bayonetta is never going to be in Smash, she is too sexy, her game is too violent and she uses guns." Bayonetta Gets Wickedl 16652A16 "Snake is never going to come back, Konami doesn't make games anymore, they only care for pachinkos, and Kojima was fired, same goes for Simon Belmont, he will never be in Smash." EVERYONE IS HERE! Simon Lashes Out! "Ridley is never going to be in Smash, he is too big, he can't work as a Fighter." Ridley Hits the Big Time! "Third-Party companies can only have two characters." "Third-Party franchises can only have one character." Richter, -Crosses Over! "K. Rool is never going to be in Smash, he is dead and irrelevant, he is missing for over a decade, he was removed from his own franchise and was replaced with other villains." "K. Rool only appears at the end of the SNES games as the final boss, he is not that popular, many people who played the Donkey Kong Country games never saw him." "K. Rool is owned by Rare and Microsoft, he is not coming to Smash." King K.Rool Comes Aboard! "Bandana Dee is never going to be in Smash, he is just a generic enemy, a Goomba with a hat, it would be really stupid to turn a generic mook into a Fighter." Piranha Plant Pipes Up! "If a character is already part of the moveset of another character, then this character is disconfirmed and can't be a real Fighter as well." "Snake and Bayonetta don't count, characters who are too violent and use guns cannot be in Smash." "Cloud doesn't count, characters who have no relation to Nintendo cannot be in Smash." loker Steals the Show! "Erdrick or Luminary are never going to be in Smash, the Dragon Quest series is only popular in Japan, characters need to be popular worldwide." The Hero Draws Near! "Banjo will never be in Smash, he is dead, irrelevant, literal who, he has no importance to the history of Nintendo or the history of videogames, he is missing for over a decade, only boomers care about him, his DLC would fail in sales and they should give the spot for someone important, Third-Party characters need relevance, if they are going to add a Microsoft character, it's going to be Steve from Minecraft, and don't compare him with K. Rool because he is First-Party." "We are not going to have a Microsoft character in Smash, Nintendo and Microsoft are competitors." "Smash Bros. is only for Japanese characters, Western characters cannot join." Banjo Kazooje are Raring to Go! "Terry is never going to be in Smash, that leak is fake, no one know who he is and no one asked for him, no one knows what SNK does." "Terry is never going to be in Smash, they have much better SNK characters to choose." Terry Faces Fury! "Smash Ultimate is only going to get one Fighter Pass, no more DLC after that." Even More DLC Fighters will Join the Battle! Additional DLC fighters will not be included as part of the Fighters Pass and will be sold separately. "DLC is not going to have more Nintendo characters, Third-Party characters sell much more." Byleth Joins Smash House! "ARMS is never going to have a Fighter in Smash, that game flopped in sales and no one remembers it." ARMS ARMS ARMS ARMS ARMS ARMS ARMS ARMS ARMS ARMS ARMS ARMS ARMS ARMS ARMS ARMS ARMS ARMS ARMS ARMS ARMS ARMS ARMS ARMS ARMS ARMS ARMS ARMS ARMS ARMS ARMSY ARMS ARMS ARMS ARM A fighter from AVAILABLE THIS JUNE ARMS ARMS ARMS ARMS ARMS ARMS is coming to Super Smash Bros. Ultimate MS ARMS ARMS ARMS ARMS ARMS ARMS ARMS ARMS ARMS ARMS ARMS ARMS ARMS ARMS ARMS ARMS ARMS ARMS ARMS ARMS ARMS ARMS ARMS ARMS ARMS ARMS 3 ARMS ARS ARMS ARMS ARMS "Min Min is not going to be the ARMS Fighter, Spring Man is the main character." "Characters who are already Spirits cannot be promoted to Fighters with DLC, all the characters who are already Spirits are disconfirmed." "Stop comparing the Trophies from Smash Wii U with the Spirits, they are totally different." "Lucas and Mewtwo were veterans, not newcomers, they are not proof Spirits can still be DLC." "Byleth proves that Spirits disconfirm, they picked one of the few Nintendo characters that didn't have a Spirit." A6AIN Min Min Arms Herself! "Steve is not going to be in Smash, Banjo disconfirmed him." "Steve is just a meme chararacter, something people ask only as a joke, Minecraft is cringy and zoomer trash, and is not going to get represented in Smash for real." "Banjo doesn't count, he used to be owned by Nintendo and was important for the history of Nintendo, we are not having a real western character." Steve Rocks the Block! "Sephiroth will never be in Smash, his sword is too big." "Third-Party franchises can only have one unique character, E-Fighters and clones don't count." Sephiroth Descends to Battle! "Smash Bros. always picks the most important character first, you can't have a secondary character or a villain of a game or franchise before the main playable character." "Rex is the main character of Xenoblade 2, it's him or nothing, we may get Rex and Pyra as a double Fighter, but not Pyra, Mythra or another one without Rex." "Rex is already a Mii Costume, since we are not getting Rex, we won't get Pyra either." "Xenoblade 2 is old news at this point, it was released a long time ago, they missed the chance of having a character at launch, we are not having a Xenoblade 2 Fighter in DLC." "Min Min was an exception, Spirits still disconfirm." "Pyra and Mythra are too sexy, after what happened with Mai Shiranui, they can't join the playable roster." "We are not getting a Tekken character in Smash Ultimate, Heihachi is already a Mii Costume, if they were going to add a Tekken character, they wouldn't have revealed the Mii Costume alongside Min Min". "Mii Costumes don't just disconfirm the character or the franchise represented, they disconfirm all characters from the Third-Party company that got a Mii Costume." "A Tekken character is never going to be in Smash, you can't adapt a 3D fighting game to a 2D game like Smash, Sakurai already said it was too hard." "A Tekken character is never going to be in Smash, Tekken is a niche series that only sold well thanks to bargain bin sales." "Heihachi is the mascot of the Tekken franchise, it's him or nothing." Kazuya GETS READY FOR THE NEXT BATTLE "Only the Spirits released at launch can be promoted to DLC, the Spirits released in updates can't." "Characters who are already Mii Costumes will never be promoted to Fighters with DLC." "Free Mii Costumes can be promoted to Fighters with DLC, but paid Mii Costumes can't, it would be a scam to sell the character as a Costume, then sell the same character as a Fighter." "Characters who are already Assist Trophies will never be promoted to Fighters with DLC." "Games that had a Spirit Event will not get a character in Smash, even the characters who didn't become Spirits are disconfirmed." "We can't have two characters from the same Third-Party company in the same Fighter Pass." "Characters from gory and violent games like Doom, Mortal Kombat, Resident Evil and GTA are still impossible." "Cloud and Joker appeared as cameos in games released on Nintendo platforms, we just can't have a character that never appeared at all in any game on a Nintendo hardware." "Waluigi will never be in Smash because he is irrelevant, only appears in spin-offs, has no moveset potential, has no personality, and was never in any mainline Mario game, Waluigi is just a meme." "Isaac will never be in Smash because the Golden Sun series failed in sales, only had three games, and doesn't have a new game for over a decade." "I don't care if there's a Piranha Plant in this game, Bandana Waddle Dee will never be in Smash because he is boring, and irrelevant to his own franchise, he only exists to be the Player 4, he is worse than a Piranha Plant." "Geno will never be in Smash because he is dead, irrelevant, literal who, he has no importance to the history of Nintendo or videogames, he is missing for over 20 years, only boomers care about him, his DLC would fail in sales and they should give the spot for someone important, Third-Party characters need relevance, and if they are adding a fourth Square-Enix character it should be another, and don't compare him with Banjo because at least Banjo is the main character of his franchise which had 5 games while Geno is irrelevant to his own franchise and was only in one game." "Sora will never be in Smash, he is not a videogame character, Disney will never allow him to join Smash." "Shantae will never be in Smash, her games never sold well with only 3 million copies sold, many indie games sold more than that and are way more popular, Matt Bozon had to beg to get her just as a Spirit in Ultimate, plus, Shantae games aren't good and her fans are just horny." "Saber will never be in Smash because her game is p---, actual p---." "Reimu, Marisa, or any other Touhou character, will never be in Smash, Touhou Project is just a niche indie franchise made by one guy and is only popular in Japan, Nintendo has no business with it." "Characters need to be relevant to their own games to join Smash, stop supporting characters like Geno, Waluigi and Bandana Dee, at least characters like Ness, Ice Climbers, R.O.B., Wii Fit Trainer, Piranha Plant and Banjo are important in their games or are the main characters." "Indie characters like Shantae, Shovel Knight, Quote and Hat Kid will never be in Smash." "Stop asking for characters from mobile games like Dragalia Lost and Fire Emblem Heroes, mobile games aren't real games." "Franchises that never sold well in Japan like Spyro, Rayman or Mortal Kombat, or never had their games released in Japan like StarTropics, will never be in Smash." "Franchises like Digimon and Yo-Kai Watch are competitors to Pokémon, they will never get a rep in Smash." "Forgotten and obscure Nintendo characters like Takamaru, Mach Rider, Prince of Sablé and Mike Jones don't have a chance." How many times do we have to teach you this lesson, old man?!

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Some notes:

- I agree that some of these claims were stuff that people actually said, but not that many people, and you may personally never saw people saying that, but even if you make a filter and remove the things you think should not be in this list, it's still a very big list.

- Many people are claiming this is a bunch of strawmen, but I actually made a lot of research in older posts to find people saying these claims, even if not many people said them.

- These debunked claims may be actually truths, the characters just joined anyway despite their problems, others were straight up misinformation, and others were stuff no one said officially.

- The claims that Ridley was too big weren't just something fans made up, they were based on something Sakurai actually said, others claim that people misunderstood Sakurai's words about Ridley, but I'm still adding this example anyway.

- The claims that we were not going to have a character that was already part of another character moveset, and we were not going to have a Microsoft character, were stuff I believed.

- Some people may say that the "main character first" rule is still not broken because Kazuya was the main hero in Tekken 1, but I think that after Chrom, Min Min, Pyra, Mythra and Kazuya, we have enough examples, and there are people who claim Pikachu also counts, we don't need a pure example on the same level as Tails joining without Sonic.

- People only doubted that Simon was going to join before Snake was added, after he came back, people were expecting him.

- I decided to not add examples from Melee and Brawl, since researching posts from the 2000s would be too tiresome.

- The problem with arguments of "This rule was broken already" is that the Smash community often has to learn their lesson twice, there are examples here were people insisted that past examples didn't count and we needed another one, or another more specific one.

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