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![hide): 1445738928498 ipg (88.87 KB, 932x578, 233:144, fallout-3-or-new-vegas-whi...ipa) y it Anonymous (You) 10/24/15 (Sat) 22:08:48 ID: 8424cf No.6675476 887544887579728878240 Watch Thread] To the average person, the two games seem so similar that there's barely any difference in gameplay. And on the surface this is true; they're both first person open world RPGs set in the fallout universe, And they both use the same engine and even assets But to me, the difference between the two is like comparing the film Chinatown to Transformers 3 These two games are completely separated in terms of quality and world building. Something that is overlooked by Joey who doesn't care about any of that boring STORY stuff, what is this, a book? He just wants to kill people and watch explosions. So let's explain to Joey how these games differ: umbled upon and could be ignored/picked up on a whim, the world felt like a theme park that conveniently revolved around the player t bla stood some pretty fundamental points about the fallout universe. (An example off the top of my head: what the f--- is jet, a drug produced exclusively by a single family in post-war New Reno, doing on the east coast stacked behind pharmacy counters and vaults like it's been there since before the war?) stocratic Teutonic order that killed people and robbed Let's start with the binary morality. In Fallout 3 there were 2 factions with any significance to the world, "the bad guys" and "the good guys "(When in the original games the brotherhood of steel were them of any tech they had just so they could hoard it for themselves. In the eyes of the Brotherhood. you would be vaporized on sight if you carried even a laser pointer.) In New Vegas however, there are over 20 factions(21 if you count yourself/anarchy ending) each as morally ambiguous as the last. Even Ceasars legion motives start to become very u standable "evil" when vou talk face to face with Ceasar. In ing, because there are no "g Next, I want to point out the world building("What do they eat?". In Fallout 3, all goods and services(including food) were all somehow scavenged even after 200 years and the few post war goods/services that did exist seemed to be provided by unenforced monopolies somehow, because I guess no one else thought to enter a nearly uncontested market. New Vegas on the other hand creates a more believable word with competing farms, factories and firms that produce these goods/services and all have competitors. It even portrays Cronyism within the New Vegas strip when you ask one girl why her prices are so high Even down to the most basic, generic enemies. NV had more depth. Where in fallout 3 you had "raiders" randomly sprinkled around, NV had 4 raider clans all fighting for control of different areas all with different stories and motives that you can involve yourself in and determine the outcome But the absolute final nail in the coffin for me was how Bethesda decided t tcon the original games with the recent announcement of 4 and have stated the original fallout bible by Avellone is no longer canon(including NV it seems, they've been acting like it s in terms of lore. And that's fine by me, if they want to throw the original fans to the side nder to xbox kiddies that think explosions are funny, then I'm just going to pretend NV was the last fallout game and the t are just non-canon spin offs 6675484 >-8675575 24075889 10/24/15 (Sat) 22:09:23 ID: 8424cf No 25 KB, 963x1 076240 (You) (OP) [cont.] spectful, and me t person game(l didn't mind this change at all). It ditched the original fans in favor of the unwashed masses. Fallout 3 assumes evil characters aren't actually committed to role playing evil, they just use "evil" as a funnel for xbox kiddies that just want to run around and kill whatever, whenever with little repercussions for their actions so they can move onto the next binary shallow choice with no second gue You can tell the divergence between the two audiences involve vourself in each of the characters rstand what caused the cause of the cause of that situation. Critical thought had to be put into urve towards New Ve ion, share their concern questions. You had to involve yourself in the internal politics and economics of that situation manvimore haracter in NV can be killed per tone-neutral d al to the same lowe we now get Fallout 4 WI ar numeric value inc oday for fallout fans. And this is becomin a major problem in mmon denominator rather than pp eal to their own little market We will never get another true fallout game. But in the end, I'm just grate ppened at all Youtube Comments On Fallout 2 Gamepla You Tube Fallout 2 gameplay willnlucy hmm.. I think I can se a different between this and fo3 xD guitarman296 1 month ago what console is the first and second fallouts on Is that why so many people like fallout 1 and Are you f------ serious, Wow chazEREmayte And people compare this to Fallout 3? WHY!?!?!? ontLaffAtMyName (3 weeks ago) so glad i started playing with fallout 3... this just loks horrible...no offese to you. ewww f------ gross...i dont give a s--- story or whatever, fo2 looks so damn s-----..like w-- is ppl say its way better tha fo3? lol f------ idiots GraphiteGum @mcluvin9858 For Fallout 1 and 2 the mousepad and keyboard was the best for it since it was Landscape.. but now it's and controllers are better 1 month ago Fallout 2 gameplay llzAssassin666 wt? lol th nce Ive t to judge, but this sucks! I have games like thi llout 3 is a "sand box" type of game. No And if moron an o graphics are giving me an ulcer. lol eww t enemies to take thier turn to kill you one who knows.. but to me its wow. this is fallout? that blows compared to fallout3 i'm in love with fallout 3 though. ( 1 week ago my whol erNumber19 @rashrules05 what is your major malfunction you FO3 beats the s--- out of this 1 week ago gner? YOU F------ NOOB, in ord llout has d graphics. and you're just a bro and you thi ame looks like s--- : Thu Dec 24, 2009 1 @wizzard2k you idiot these games are awfull you clearly just dont like change, fallout 3 is one of the best s one of the best RPG's lout 3 was the only RPG I was able to hav ames iv ever played much better than this crap Most RPG's have lame This game sucks IM GLAD THAT FALLOUT DIED IN AME BACK IN AWESOME FGAYLLOUT 1 FGAYLLOUT 2 FGAYLLOUT TACTICS FGAYLLOUT GAYNE STEEL Games that are good: Fallout 3 to have graphics that is above ps1 Thnx:)](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/034/068/13e.png "Fallout 4 and the Droolys That Will Buy It")
![Gar Bof Fallout 3 because it's buit on worst game engine ever featured in a modem AAA release, combined with the fact that Bethesda fundamentally misunderstands what makes the Fallout setting tick Their design, world building and writing approach branches off so dramaticaly from the Falout formda in an attempt to pander to casuals and Oblivien fans with leaming disabilities, that it's impossible to believe that Bethesda make a good Falout game Gar80f No 56973687342949729423224 that I a runaway mainstream success seling 25t milion copies and being an Action RPG staple for most games in the years to come i Shalowe change s more of a byproduct or a symptom of Bethesda-Fallout problems, rather than the cause that best hepe to s mulator in video game form that a post-apocalyptic game based on Stave Jackson's PmP P Rule #3 Dark hum reas good SI Rule #5 Your actions have repercussions L However, these core design goals still permeate just about every aspect of Fallouts design Remaving key aspects from that it would affect everything else, lke Bathesda did greatly damages the game as a whole It should also be noted that the cancelled Black Isle Fallout 3 Van Buren project wouldve featured an adustible 30 camera and optional real time combat Arcanum anyway [2]. It's easier to blame nostalgia driven neckbeards and that's what the gaming community at large take into consideration what makes Falout good and design around thet, they (Bethesda) try to shoehom their own features and design principles even if t dárectly contradicts cenerdl aspects Bethes da is incapable of creating a good Falout gama dad, and there are some good emotional beats there, but there's only so much y This speaks to a deeply flawed vision that Bethesda continues to push with their version of Fallout specificaly, they tempt to buld connection between the player in-game rao will extol the players virtues if moraly acceptable decisions are made in quests should take centre stage in make a decision presumably, youid care more about t. Making conversations cinematic and glving the player character a voice is game world first prtagonists stayh hc alout gives the player many. many forms of interaction West Coast is dirty. gritty, violent right stats) or a Slaver or help Myron create adsictive drugs These kinds of "down to earth interactions alreedy werent s voiced protegonist compounds the issue. The overwhelming majority of voiced dialeg would be tone neutral conversation progression. Because all interactions are cinemetic and voiced there's less that much of an issue if the game is filed with well written dialog sequences that alows the player to express a complex range of omotions motivations One of the things we really bied to avoid is surprising the player with whether they've been good have specific titles for levels of Karma and consequences that relate mostly to interactions with potential companions. game care about t soclety rebuilds opposed to strict black and white. Power stuggles defined perfect good and setamic evil Granted the orgna two Fallout games had plenty of situations where you choose between an a------ and a non-a------ physical attributes. That's why moral dilemmas are a staple of Fallout games, it's a game s point, and show the player the results of their choices Wr never changes s head Just about every action y able to undertake is given a moral value theough the Karma system and through characters ike reinforced through the endr UnIke the other Falot games where huge variance is given based each of the communities you encounter with some level of overlap, the Fallout 3 endings emphasise the player's morality in each of their deciskons. The effect you had on society is second So, vhat's this about the Good Fight By torcing the erything in a the protagors pleystle te game works so hard to define your experience using those archetypes and nothing ese 08/25/15 Todd 'dont believe is lies Howard Bethesda have long stated that a major goal in their games is that the player should be able to go anywhere a meaningful barriers for players selement building features being interconnected, reactive rolaplaying experiance. Nobody wants their WRPGs a player agency requires proper context. The context being the ruleset, the game mechanics pleying pretend insteed of actualy roleplaying. The difference between roleplay toeisecy ahe prabos structured around those things, otherwise y playing pretend is whether the game But it's that reactivity and design which Bethesda has been actively fighting against since Oblivion, because the Bethesda Shallow Sandbox Experience is against inconweniencing players at relate back to a player's build can allow the player to have a profound emational connection with their characters through roleplaying That is meaningful throughout the course of kind of character concept based around a certain skilset can find something to heng thei having a sanitised game world that gates from players and insulates them from the challenges that the setting provides. close off ways in which developers are able to reinforce narrative tones or themes through items, it's completely impossible to complete anathema to the Bethesda Shallow Sandbox Experience However by doing so. Black Isle designers are able t story than any kind of cinematic or high fidslity texture violence done pell is f------ hilarious It's like itchy and Scratchy or Jackass-Now that's funny!" Todd Komedy Klub Kustodian Howard alout seting is mostly grounded in Irony and juxtapestion as a means of telling the player a chilling messape about Fallout's central themes. "War never changes". Many people (ncluding Bethesda themselves) have taken that to mean that history quote isnt about history repeting itself, ifs about why history repeats Rsel War never changes because people never change cynical setting It vlolent, selfish and barbarism of human nature. The player doesnt change, men must c o must their symbols. Even if it is nothing at all know what you follow, Courier dramatic, thematic antastic from Now Vogas who combines witty Ines with the realisation a counter example from Falout 3、doesn't really serve a purpose outside of Ikandum0 effect, what you have is a dsjointed landmass with self contained communities that are nothing more than cheap, disposable jokes evn havetotct 08251 There are no regional dalects, so sense of unified culture or soclety. And that's really the problem, isnt these these ittle isolationist game and Esten to Pesident Eden's make everything right again Mel retum America t main series of Falout games lercept for 3 tunnly enough, all deal specificaly with society The problem of survival in the wasteland is central evolution. Super Mutants being best best equipped to desal other hand, Falout 2s Enclave operated differently Seeing themseves wrong hands, deciding to dedcate themselves to preserving technalogy insbead The NCR s another, you tackle thase factions and agree or reject the answer that is presented towns, villages and settlements at a fracture point, often because lecales and these stuations dont exist in a vacuum Unfortunately, Falout 3 and Bethesda's design mentality in general ensures that there is almost zero cohesion amongst the pockets of cvilsation and small settlements that populate map Many of these settlements are given some 5 a theme to distinguish themselves from one another before leaving without consequence There's no attempt for social or thematic cohesion described as a themepark design The player, acting as a tourist, greater whole Outside of Megaton and Rivet, there really is no sense of society in Falout 3 This also speaks to Rule #5 by ensuring that a most all locales are wholby 5 extreme example contained they allow the players to act inconsistent y ong good in one place and doing evil in another The simplistic Kar 3 system balancing things would be to blow sp Megaton, and donate water to the homeless beggars until your Kama is positive once more, enabling y I think Fallout 3s main story is bad and doesnt tackle the core themas of Fallout games fallout particles and more of the dssolved radioactive material than does blir water distilat on In areas of heavy fallout about e% of the radioactivity in water could be emoved by f terng it through on nary earth 1 most literal way imaginable Cloud with the graphics b ain. itself. From the aufully written ines, t redulous quest premises. I could blather on about the medlocre gameplay, the non-existent bugs upon bugs upon bugs I could main namative is something that pushes Falout further away from Tight and cohesire open world that Fallout 4 offers a anywhere else, right? Not to mention the fact that it's the first game in gaming ee e how efres Falost tecame Fateea falings and mishat mes the Ealeules thet were to have 100% sandbox weapon modding. Even F iterary devices that Black Isle's Fallout uses to drive home sage ike challenging gameplay situations and good level design) and allow the player to properly roleplay instead Falout game right. Doesnt mater if have as detailed gun crafting as this, and the Borderlands games don't evern let you make your own weapons. Heck Codsworth even addresses you by name - you ever played ANY game at all that offers that? 鑼cant believe I as this autistic to type it This graphics bitching is so full of s---. Who cares about graphics when were indeed had the top graphics available. 16Gb RAM? Try 600 You really have no idea whats going on under the hood of these games. d good luck running Fallout 4 er i](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/034/067/02e.jpg "Why Bethesda Fails At Fallout")
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