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Wizards OF THE амс We had a good thing going, you stupid son of a bitch! We had the community good will. We were the de-facto default choice for people going into fantasy ttrpgs. We had an OGL that had people agreeing to never challenge us on the ownership of game mechanics, which no court would ever give us. We had the 3rd parties publishing those supplements and adventures we did not deem profitable enough, causing new people to find D&D and buying the source books. You could've shut your mouth, created a GSL for 6e, create a convenient online play experience no third party vtt creator could ever hope to match. You could have just waited and see the people come to you in time, as you are the big name everyone knows and convenience is something people are willing to pay for. In five years you would have made all the money you needed by sitting on your ass and maintaining servers. But no, you just had to blow it up. You and your greed.

Wizards OF THE амс We had a good thing going, you stupid son of a bitch! We had the community good will. We were the de-facto default choice for people going into fantasy ttrpgs. We had an OGL that had people agreeing to never challenge us on the ownership of game mechanics, which no court would ever give us. We had the 3rd parties publishing those supplements and adventures we did not deem profitable enough, causing new people to find D&D and buying the source books. You could've shut your mouth, created a GSL for 6e, create a convenient online play experience no third party vtt creator could ever hope to match. You could have just waited and see the people come to you in time, as you are the big name everyone knows and convenience is something people are willing to pay for. In five years you would have made all the money you needed by sitting on your ass and maintaining servers. But no, you just had to blow it up. You and your greed.

Wizards of the Coast OGL 1.1 / Dungeons & Dragons Licensing Controversy

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Backpedaled so hard they tripped and lost their marbles

r/DnD OGL u/Baroness_Ayesha • 9h Ssssssssssssssssssssssso, uh, there are some. Terms. In the now-Creative Commons 5e System Resource Document. & Th twitter.com winke Elven Tower Cartography @ElvenTower On page 254 of the 5.1 SRD that is now Creative Commons, there is this mention of: ELVEN TOWER aboleths beholders mind flayers slaadi So, these names are not "Product Identity" anymore. They are CC-BY, in the wild, and irrevocable. Download the PDF! Aberrations are utterly alien beings. Many of them have innate magical abilities drawn from the creature's alien mind rather than the mystical forces of the world. The quintessential aberrations are aboleths, beholders, mind flayers, and slaadi. 3:46 PM 27 Jan 23 Baroness_Ayesha OP. 9h So, yeah, Wizards just threw up the existing 5.1 SRD with no editing on a Creative Commons license. And they forgot to include any language specifying protected terms, and didn't include any language defining specific terms as still protected as Product Identity under the OGL. This. Um. Opens up a lot of Terms. Elven Tower covers a lot of them in their thread, but it includes "beholder", "mind flayer", "slaadi", "yugoloth", "Waterdeep", "Baldur's Gate", "owlbear", "sahuagin" (as a specific spelling), "umber hulk", "yuan-ti", and. um. "Strahd von Zarovich". Moreover, beholders, mind flayers and slaadi are specifically called out as Aberrations, "utterly alien beings; [m]any of them have innate magical abilities drawn from the creature's alien mind rather than the mystical forces of the world", yugoloths are Fiends, Waterdeep and Baldur's Gate are places with a road between them, "owlbear" can't be much other than an owlbear, and Strahd is specifically described as a Count and a vampire. If people are a little lost, beholders and mind flayers have been absurdly protected parts of the Dungeons & Dragons IP for upwards of half a century, now. TSR famously reserved some of their nastiest legal fights for this part of the IP, down to fighting like an angry tiger over there mere names, asserting that both were completely protected in a tabletop sense. Others, like yugoloths and slaadi (and, well, F------ Strahd), were just protected under standard work-for-hire copyright and were easily considered integral to the D&D IP and not allowed for open use. In the OGL version of the 5.1 SRD, all of these elements were specifically called out as Product Identity, identifying them as protected terms that were not part of the Open Gaming Content allowed for use. Creative Commons has similar carve-out language available, but the released version of the CC 5.1 SRD doesn't use it. These terms, along with whatever descriptions were attached, are now free to use under CC, even for commercial use. The use of the Creative Commons license here in general was pretty clearly meant as a bludgeon against Paizo and the ORC License, because there have been a minority hitting them with "well why not just use Creative Commons", and was more done out of cynical one-upsmanship than any real desire to make things more open and convenient for users and third party authors. But once again, it seems the current crop of lawyers and executives at WotC and Hasbro have no idea what's actually in their product, and just gave away terms for open use that had previously been the subjects of decades of intensely bitter legal battles. Now, it can't be Literally Strahd or Very Specifically An Illithid Mind Flayer, as those will still be protected expressions of the terms. But if you want Count Strahd von Zarovich, vampiric bartender, or a strange alien creature that flays minds and may involve tentacles and is called a "mind flayer", all you need do to cover yourself is include the CC attribution now. The terms are otherwise completely open for use when they weren't previously. So bravo, WotC. Full applause. Thank you for your service. Absolutely incredible work, lads Reply ↑ 117 ↓

r/DnD OGL u/Baroness_Ayesha • 9h Ssssssssssssssssssssssso, uh, there are some. Terms. In the now-Creative Commons 5e System Resource Document. & Th twitter.com winke Elven Tower Cartography @ElvenTower On page 254 of the 5.1 SRD that is now Creative Commons, there is this mention of: ELVEN TOWER aboleths beholders mind flayers slaadi So, these names are not "Product Identity" anymore. They are CC-BY, in the wild, and irrevocable. Download the PDF! Aberrations are utterly alien beings. Many of them have innate magical abilities drawn from the creature's alien mind rather than the mystical forces of the world. The quintessential aberrations are aboleths, beholders, mind flayers, and slaadi. 3:46 PM 27 Jan 23 Baroness_Ayesha OP. 9h So, yeah, Wizards just threw up the existing 5.1 SRD with no editing on a Creative Commons license. And they forgot to include any language specifying protected terms, and didn't include any language defining specific terms as still protected as Product Identity under the OGL. This. Um. Opens up a lot of Terms. Elven Tower covers a lot of them in their thread, but it includes "beholder", "mind flayer", "slaadi", "yugoloth", "Waterdeep", "Baldur's Gate", "owlbear", "sahuagin" (as a specific spelling), "umber hulk", "yuan-ti", and. um. "Strahd von Zarovich". Moreover, beholders, mind flayers and slaadi are specifically called out as Aberrations, "utterly alien beings; [m]any of them have innate magical abilities drawn from the creature's alien mind rather than the mystical forces of the world", yugoloths are Fiends, Waterdeep and Baldur's Gate are places with a road between them, "owlbear" can't be much other than an owlbear, and Strahd is specifically described as a Count and a vampire. If people are a little lost, beholders and mind flayers have been absurdly protected parts of the Dungeons & Dragons IP for upwards of half a century, now. TSR famously reserved some of their nastiest legal fights for this part of the IP, down to fighting like an angry tiger over there mere names, asserting that both were completely protected in a tabletop sense. Others, like yugoloths and slaadi (and, well, F------ Strahd), were just protected under standard work-for-hire copyright and were easily considered integral to the D&D IP and not allowed for open use. In the OGL version of the 5.1 SRD, all of these elements were specifically called out as Product Identity, identifying them as protected terms that were not part of the Open Gaming Content allowed for use. Creative Commons has similar carve-out language available, but the released version of the CC 5.1 SRD doesn't use it. These terms, along with whatever descriptions were attached, are now free to use under CC, even for commercial use. The use of the Creative Commons license here in general was pretty clearly meant as a bludgeon against Paizo and the ORC License, because there have been a minority hitting them with "well why not just use Creative Commons", and was more done out of cynical one-upsmanship than any real desire to make things more open and convenient for users and third party authors. But once again, it seems the current crop of lawyers and executives at WotC and Hasbro have no idea what's actually in their product, and just gave away terms for open use that had previously been the subjects of decades of intensely bitter legal battles. Now, it can't be Literally Strahd or Very Specifically An Illithid Mind Flayer, as those will still be protected expressions of the terms. But if you want Count Strahd von Zarovich, vampiric bartender, or a strange alien creature that flays minds and may involve tentacles and is called a "mind flayer", all you need do to cover yourself is include the CC attribution now. The terms are otherwise completely open for use when they weren't previously. So bravo, WotC. Full applause. Thank you for your service. Absolutely incredible work, lads Reply ↑ 117 ↓

Wizards of the Coast OGL 1.1 / Dungeons & Dragons Licensing Controversy

srd 5.1 system resource document 5.1 product identity beholder abloeth slaadi mind flayers yugoloth waterdeep baldur's gate owlbear sahuagin umber hulk yuan-ti strahd von zarovich

Mike tells it like it is

Lards COAST OF THE амс We had a good thing going, you stupid son of a bitch! We had the community good will. We were the de-facto default choice for people going into fantasy ttrpgs. We had an OGL that had people agreeing to never challenge us on the ownership of game mechanics, which no court would ever give us. We had the 3rd parties publishing those supplements and adventures we did not deem profitable enough, causing new people to find D&D and buying the source books. You could've shut your mouth, created a GSL for 6e, create a convenient online play Ⓡ But no, you just had to blow it up. You and your greed. experience no third party vtt creator could ever hope to match. You could have just waited and see the people come to you in time, as you are the big name everyone knows and convenience is something people are willing to pay for. In five years you would have made all the money you needed by sitting on your ass and maintaining servers.

Lards COAST OF THE амс We had a good thing going, you stupid son of a bitch! We had the community good will. We were the de-facto default choice for people going into fantasy ttrpgs. We had an OGL that had people agreeing to never challenge us on the ownership of game mechanics, which no court would ever give us. We had the 3rd parties publishing those supplements and adventures we did not deem profitable enough, causing new people to find D&D and buying the source books. You could've shut your mouth, created a GSL for 6e, create a convenient online play Ⓡ But no, you just had to blow it up. You and your greed. experience no third party vtt creator could ever hope to match. You could have just waited and see the people come to you in time, as you are the big name everyone knows and convenience is something people are willing to pay for. In five years you would have made all the money you needed by sitting on your ass and maintaining servers.

Wizards of the Coast OGL 1.1 / Dungeons & Dragons Licensing Controversy

breaking bad mike ehrmantraut walter white they really are just a bunch of drug dealers d&d was the blue sky once back in the eighties i mean

Oh dang

WE ARE LEAVING OGL 1.0A IN PLACE, AS IS. UNTOUCHED. WE ARE ALSO MAKING THE ENTIRE SRD 5.1 AVAILABLE UNDER A CREATIVE COMMONS LICENSE. YOU CHOOSE WHICH YOU PREFER TO USE. DUNGEONS & DRAGONSⓇ

WE ARE LEAVING OGL 1.0A IN PLACE, AS IS. UNTOUCHED. WE ARE ALSO MAKING THE ENTIRE SRD 5.1 AVAILABLE UNDER A CREATIVE COMMONS LICENSE. YOU CHOOSE WHICH YOU PREFER TO USE. DUNGEONS & DRAGONSⓇ

Wizards of the Coast OGL 1.1 / Dungeons & Dragons Licensing Controversy

creative commons ogl 1.0a srd 5.1

soon the 3rd party will run out, then your left with nothing but... First Pary Content.

CRITICAL ROLE W OF Lards 1st party content Comunity paizo POLICE DO YOU HAVE ANY BETTER HOSTAGES?

CRITICAL ROLE W OF Lards 1st party content Comunity paizo POLICE DO YOU HAVE ANY BETTER HOSTAGES?

Wizards of the Coast OGL 1.1 / Dungeons & Dragons Licensing Controversy

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WotC Pretending the OGL is great step

OGL 1.1 Entire D&D community WOTC Pat on the back. Pat on the back come on. Me too cause ive been a a big part of it. WOTC WOTC oh boy I just got to say I'm proud of you all! This revolution has been a huge success! Yay us! and uh... its a tie WOTC Cant have a revolution without somebody to overthrow. So uh, you're welcome! WOTC

OGL 1.1 Entire D&D community WOTC Pat on the back. Pat on the back come on. Me too cause ive been a a big part of it. WOTC WOTC oh boy I just got to say I'm proud of you all! This revolution has been a huge success! Yay us! and uh... its a tie WOTC Cant have a revolution without somebody to overthrow. So uh, you're welcome! WOTC

Wizards of the Coast OGL 1.1 / Dungeons & Dragons Licensing Controversy

thor: ragnarok jeff goldblum

Tried to pull a sneaky on a bunch of rules lawyers?

imgflip.com WOTC TRYING TO PULL A FAST ONE THROUGH OBSCURE LEGAL DOCUMENTS P4522A VENN A COMMUNITY THAT SPENDS AN OBSCENE AMOUNT OF TIME READING AND INTERPRETING LEGALITIES AND RULES

imgflip.com WOTC TRYING TO PULL A FAST ONE THROUGH OBSCURE LEGAL DOCUMENTS P4522A VENN A COMMUNITY THAT SPENDS AN OBSCENE AMOUNT OF TIME READING AND INTERPRETING LEGALITIES AND RULES

Wizards of the Coast OGL 1.1 / Dungeons & Dragons Licensing Controversy

train hitting school bus rules

its not truly a leak when they were forceing companies to sign it before the public knew about it.

EVERYONE CANCELING DNDBEYOND SUBS DRAFTS DO NOT COME WITH CONTRACTS ATTACHED. IT WAS NEVER CALLED A DRAFT IN THEIR MEETINGS WITH CREATORS STOP LYING TO US DNDB TRYING TO CHANGE THE NARRATIVE BY SAYING IT WAS A DRAFT AND THEY WANTED FEEDBACK hartolo AD

EVERYONE CANCELING DNDBEYOND SUBS DRAFTS DO NOT COME WITH CONTRACTS ATTACHED. IT WAS NEVER CALLED A DRAFT IN THEIR MEETINGS WITH CREATORS STOP LYING TO US DNDB TRYING TO CHANGE THE NARRATIVE BY SAYING IT WAS A DRAFT AND THEY WANTED FEEDBACK hartolo AD

Wizards of the Coast OGL 1.1 / Dungeons & Dragons Licensing Controversy

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Paizo (Pathfinder) Joins the Kicking

D&D Fans Castle SILENT WotC/Hasbro after shareing/OGL 11 Other System Fans 155 Open RPG Paizo (Pathfinder) GE DO

D&D Fans Castle SILENT WotC/Hasbro after shareing/OGL 11 Other System Fans 155 Open RPG Paizo (Pathfinder) GE DO

Wizards of the Coast OGL 1.1 / Dungeons & Dragons Licensing Controversy

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Paizo (makers of Pathfinder & Starfinder) is working on a colab to counter OGL 1.1

Paizo Inc. 1h We have announced a plan for a system neutral open RPG license in collaboration with other game companies. We believe it will irrevocably and unquestionably keep alive the spirit of the Open Game License. Learn more in the blog: https://paizo.me/3XtIZAs Open RPG

Paizo Inc. 1h We have announced a plan for a system neutral open RPG license in collaboration with other game companies. We believe it will irrevocably and unquestionably keep alive the spirit of the Open Game License. Learn more in the blog: https://paizo.me/3XtIZAs Open RPG

Wizards of the Coast OGL 1.1 / Dungeons & Dragons Licensing Controversy

paizo pathfinder colaboration